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a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
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RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:41 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 20, 2017 at 8:27 am)suni_muslim Wrote: ولكن هذا هو أكبر حجة
لماذا لم تظهر الأحياء الفقيرة؟
قبل جمع الصفات في جميع الأشياء
لماذا حدث الخطأ فقط بعد القاسم المشترك مليار من جميع الكائنات؟
طالما لا يوجد خطأ
أعني أن هناك شخص تعامل مع الخطأ
وهذا يعني أن هناك مبرمج لمنع الخطأ من حدوث
أعني أن هناك خالق


محمد هو أفضل شخص في التاريخ
محمد هو رجل طيب
محمد صادق رسول
هناك علامات في كتاب القرآن تشير إلى صدق محمد
مثل الأخبار حول قاع المحيط الظلام
ودوران العالم

يقول لك وماذا؟ لدينا المسيحيين هنا الذين يقولون أنك حصلت على خطأ. أود أن أقول الجميع حصلت على خطأ والبشر مجرد تشكل الآلهة.

هذه ليست حجة هذا هو تأكيد عارية. نقلا عن كتاب لإثبات كتاب يسمى التعميم المنطقي. 


القرآن يثبت مو لأن القرآن يقول ذلك.
الكتاب المقدس يثبت يسوع لأن الكتاب المقدس يقول ذلك.
يهود اليهود يثبت الرب لأنه يقول ذلك.
بوذا هو الطريق الوحيد إلى الحكمة لأن بوذا يقول ذلك.
الإله الهندوسي / ق حقيقية لأن الفيدا و غيتا غيتا يقول ذلك.

لا يهمني من يدعي ما. 7 مليار إنسان، أود أن أقول أنه كان بعد ذلك، وهذا هو الآن. باع شخص ما لك الأساطير القديمة، نفس معظم البشر في جميع أنحاء العالم. ويبيع معظم البشر ديانات آبائهم قبل أن يتمكنوا من تعزيز مهارات التفكير النقدي.

The Qur'an proves it true
Frequency also proves the truth of the news
Of many people
But that proves the sincerity of Muhammad
Is the existence of signs in the Book of the Qur'an
Prove the truth of the Qur'an
Such as news about dark ocean floor
And the rotation of the earth
These things can only be known from the Creator of the earth
Or explored
As long as no human could find out in the era of Muhammad
If God told him so
If it is honest
Because there are signs that speak is the Word of God

(November 20, 2017 at 8:51 am)مهما كان Wrote: As regards the claim put forth in your thread title but not addressed in your OP, "There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that", no it doesn't.  Well not without carefully choosing a conclusion-implying premise to begin with.  Once you've built "it is unimaginable that X without God" into your argument it becomes ridiculously easy to 'prove' God.  But save your breath, no one here will accept that premise.

There is inevitably a Creator
Because it is impossible not to develop a mistake
Without anyone being prevented from occurring
If it was absurd
Then there would have to be a billion-billion-plus wrong possibility
So we get the right probability
Which is the most common characteristic of all beings
Common sense says that there is a programmer
Musharraf oversaw this
If it develops there is a programmer
Though not a development
There is a Creator
In all cases there
Creator
#12
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:48 am)suni_muslim Wrote: Who decides that this is a mistake
The stupid theory writer
Is that the writer ignored the mistake
As long as it is without the control of anyone
Absurd
If you must find billions of mistakes
So that these qualities combine together
You must find a billion * billion wrong possibility
So we get the correct
The theoretical writer ignored all that
There are no errors in pooling characteristics common to all neighborhoods
This means having a programmer
Supervised the evolution plan
.....

Who's the theory writer? And when did they say anything about errors or mistakes with respect to evolution? Mutations are more like random changes rather than mistakes/errors.

So whatever it is you're saying here overall is irrelevant.

Quote:For the Koran
True texts
Not an explanation
This text
In Surat Al Noor
Talk about darkness in the deep seabed
Darkness above some
If you get out your hand
It is impossible to see it

There's nothing remarkable about that being in the Qur'an. It's clearly something thought up by human beings who made observations and/or easily made speculations based on such observations. You don't need to be a scientist to suspect darkness in the depths of the waters or wherever.

Quote:The text of the rotation of the earth is mentioned in Surat Al-Naml from the Holy Qur'an
He said to you that you see the mountain static
But in fact he is moving
As the clouds move

Even if that was a valid interpretation of the verse you're referring to, it's still nothing remarkable. But the funny thing is that the verse isn't at all saying that the mountains are moving. It's referring to the future times when even the mountains will pass away. It's referring to the end of days, not to some remarkable scientific fact that could only have been confirmed by today's science. Shaking my head at you, I am.
#13
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:22 am)suni_muslim Wrote: "Even your words, which you say is a path, a path and a map taken by life to get to this point that we are now (who reads the theories find infinite accuracy in drawing the plan Haha as if his books is the most honorable of the universe).مع أطيب التحيات زملائي

Unfortunately, this OP is not nearly clear enough to properly answer.

It seems to be an appeal to some form of aesthetical argument.  Perhaps some variant of the Watchmaker Analogy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy

In any case, I assure you that there is nothing in Muslim doctrine that would seem convincing as evidence for the existence of Ibrahim's conception of God. Let alone Muhammad's.

I have noticed that few if any Muslims have a working understanding of what atheism is.
Morituri Delendi!
#14
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:55 am)suni_muslim Wrote: There is inevitably a Creator
Because it is impossible not to develop a mistake
Without anyone being prevented from occurring
If it was absurd
Then there would have to be a billion-billion-plus wrong possibility
So we get the right probability
Which is the most common characteristic of all beings
Common sense says that there is a programmer
Musharraf oversaw this
If it develops there is a programmer
Though not a development
There is a Creator
In all cases there
Creator

Your writing style is giving me a headache. also I am having a hard time understanding what you are writing, what mistakes are you talking about? Look at all the planets right in our solar system which are inhospitable to our lifeform, would you say that's the right way or an error/mistake? Most planets have the "wrong possibility" for our lifeform, that's why we are so far stuck on this tiny rock.

Common sense says a lot of things, that doesn't make them correct. My common sense says you are a POE, am I correct?
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu

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#15
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:51 am)Whateverist Wrote: As regards the claim put forth in your thread title but not addressed in your OP, "There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that", no it doesn't.  Well not without carefully choosing a conclusion-implying premise to begin with.  Once you've built "it is unimaginable that X without God" into your argument it becomes ridiculously easy to 'prove' God.  But save your breath, no one here will accept that premise.

This. Exactly this.
Morituri Delendi!
#16
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
(November 20, 2017 at 8:55 am)suni_muslim Wrote: There is inevitably a Creator...

I hereby challenge your "Creator" to an arm wrestling match.  If it doesn't show up in my office before 8:00 a.m. CST on Monday, November 20, 2017 I win by default, and all of Dar al Islam must worship Me instead.

Your god has 6 minutes.   Big Grin
#17
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
Mr Sunny_Muslim may begin by washing your feet with his tongue like a dog. Break him in right, goddess Astreja.
#18
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
Well present one, then. That's all we ask. One needs to show up if s/he expects more than a fraction of the Human population to worship it.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

#19
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
Some challenge, eh?
#20
RE: a challenge All atheists There is inevitably a Creator. Logic says that
This should be interesting... Smile
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh



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