Atheism vs. the Quran

[Captain Colostomy]

What is this I don't even.

When I said that I thought that like the evolution theory is true the Qur'an is untrue.
The evolution theory is true therefore he can't prove that this is untrue.
Conclusion : He can't prove that the Quran is true because the evolution theory is true and that prove that Koran = intox.

Proof that viocjit= intox(icated).

[NoraBrimstone]

What is this I don't even.

When I said that I thought that like the evolution theory is true the Qur'an is untrue.
The evolution theory is true therefore he can't prove that this is untrue.
Conclusion : He can't prove that the Quran is true because the evolution theory is true and that prove that Koran = intox.

That's not the problem with the bit of your post I quoted. If evolution didn't happen, that absolutely does not mean any particular ridiculous fictional character "probably did existed."

[el jefe]

I already wrote my thoughts on that in the following posts. The first one is a link to a thread that I created myself.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-7027-pos...#pid139862

http://atheistforums.org/thread-16768-po...#pid390160

thanks for the reply

[CapnAwesome]

One of the main clinchers for me about the fact that Islam is obviously human made, and more specifically made by human beings in a very specific geography involves the observance of Ramadan, which calls for fasting between dawn and dusk. Whoever made up that rule obviously was unaware that far northern and far southern hemisphere can have very long days, making it an impossible rule. Now I'm aware that present day Islamic scholars have made exceptions for modern Muslims living in Sweden or whatnot but none of that changes the original authorship. It's also not a trivial part of Islam, but rather one of the five pillars.

Who is more likely derived such a rule?

A. A made in the middle ages who in a part of the world where the time changes are not very significant with the seasons.
B. A God who knows everything.

The answer is obvious. I think without addressing this and other very very obvious flaws it would be impossible to say that the Qu'ran came from a divine source. You can only accept the 'science' in the Qu'ran if you totally ignore all the times that it is wrong.

[Minimalist]

Now I'm aware that present day Islamic scholars have made exceptions for modern Muslims living in Sweden

Really?

You mean allah needed a re-write? Doesn't seem very god-like, does it?

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I read that exceptions were made for muslims living in places where there's a lot of daylight. Another thing that came up when I was checking healthcare news as that a local hospital started a program counselling diabetics who are doing ramadan on how to manage their conditions, something not everyone thinks about. Diabetics' eating schedule should sync up with their injection/medication and ramadan really messes that up. Not to mention no drinking, which means no exercising at all. I mean what about muslim construction workers? Someone clearly did not think this through. Although they say diabetics are not required to go through ramadan, of course most muslim diabetics still do because they're devout.

[Cyberman]

but then is there any evidence that god does not exist?

Yes.

Your turn.

And what is your evidence?

You missed the bit where you provide the evidence for the existence of a god and/or gods. No matter, I don't mind stealing your go.

I have literally tons of evidence against the existence of god/s, but you just wouldn't understand it. Regardless, what would you accept as evidence?

Right, now it's your turn. What is your evidence?

(This is fun! )

[downbeatplumb]

One of the main clinchers for me about the fact that Islam is obviously human made, and more specifically made by human beings in a very specific geography involves the observance of Ramadan, which calls for fasting between dawn and dusk. Whoever made up that rule obviously was unaware that far northern and far southern hemisphere can have very long days, making it an impossible rule.

Yes what of Alaskan muslims or space faring muslims?

[Mister Agenda]

Here's the thing about Aisha. Sunnis think she was very young when she married Mohamed. There are reasons why her being so young would make their claims stronger against the Shias. Not all Muslims regard the hadiths as authoritative, and the information about Aisha comes from the hadiths, not the Qu'ran. If Rayaan doesn't accept Aisha being so young and doesn't accept the hadith claiming she is as authoritative, then, even if he is a Sunni, the prophet he believes in was not a pedophile, or even a guy with lots of wives who married a young child. Since this is a subject Muslims don't agree on, perhaps Rayaan will simply state what he believes to be most likely true about Mohamed and Aisha.

I was a little surprised to find out Rayaan is a literalist though. I had the impression he would be less tradtional, a Neo-Sufi maybe, or a Quranist.

[TruthSeeker89]

And what is your evidence?

You missed the bit where you provide the evidence for the existence of a god and/or gods. No matter, I don't mind stealing your go.

I have literally tons of evidence against the existence of god/s, but you just wouldn't understand it. Regardless, what would you accept as evidence?

Right, now it's your turn. What is your evidence?

(This is fun! )

But I asked you a question and you didn't answer it..how would that be "stealing my go"? and how do you know i wouldn't understand it?
im really interested to know ...what is your evidence?