-sigh-

[Eoin]

facebook convo with some people i know

I was wrong to start this fight.
it was a horrible thing to do
i have take the advice of people that commented on this post
I think this shows an example of how stupid a person can be (me) when they think there are so right they disregard other peoples feelings to make a stupid point.
There is no excuse for this.

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♥ I don't need an angel on my Christmas tree, I already have one in heaven
looking down on me. Put this as your status if there is someone in heaven you will miss this Christmas. ♥
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Stacy Rauscher likes this.

Sebastian Spencer lmao
2 hours ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson ‎^ ummm ??? jerk? i think so...
2 hours ago · Unlike · 1 person

Debra Ann Borck tis not funny. i have a lot of people i will miss this Christmas...
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Sebastian Spencer buy mental illness is just so funny.
2 hours ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer but*
2 hours ago · Like

Debra Ann Borck sebastian... now is NOT the time to be calling me insane... >.>
2 hours ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson ok i dont like you at all wtf? knock it off
2 hours ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer knock what off she can say shit about fairy tails and i cant laugh at it?
because its hurtful? everything else can be ridiculed but not religion because ?
2 hours ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson you have absolutely no right to laugh at religion, just because you dont give a crap doesnt mean other people feel the same way as you so shut your face before i do it for..thanks...
about an hour ago · Like · 1 person

Debra Ann Borck sebastian stop. i put this up for Jake and all the family and friends i lost, and i really dont appreciate you doing this to me....
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson for you*
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson obviously sebastian doesnt care debbie..he's a crappy friend.
about an hour ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer Jacob dieing is a very sad thing and i respect that but he did die because of religious extremists...also i think its a sad delusion that people are so grieved by a loss that they think its better to pretend the person is alive still just in a better place. i contend that it is better to rejoice for the time you had with a person and remember them...and grieve that they will not be part of your life anymore but deluding yourself to feel better is crazy.

also why do i have no right to laugh at religion?? it is completely illogical and i find it funny so many people cant think for themselves. also it makes me slightly nauseous.

science flies you to the moon
religion flies you into buildings
about an hour ago · Like

Debra Ann Borck please sebastian... just stop...
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson well thats very sad that you think that way but i happen to know that debbie is very religious and i would appreciate the fact that you would not comment on anymore of her status's in a negative way..i also cannot stand you so we are officially done talking about this..please do not respond or i will have to send you a thoughtful email..i am done..goodbye
about an hour ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer natalyn i do not care what you think.
and i find it my responsibility as a human being to help educate people and bring rationality to the world
about an hour ago · Like

Debra Ann Borck sebastian, you're making me cry. knock it off. you're just being all jerkish cuz you can't accept that people have other beliefs and YOU can't comprehend it. now please. stop it.
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Natalyn Nelson i honestly dont care sebastian, just watch yourself at school..
about an hour ago · Like
Sebastian Spencer so you threaten me because of my lack of delusion?
and people wonder why i say religion is bad?
i have no hostility towards either of you.
debbie i suppose i should not give you extra stress right now i am sorry i accept people have other beliefs but there beliefs cause huge problems and hurt the progression of humanity and are flawed.
but if you dont want to be educated then dont be i cant force you to think.
debbie i do care that you lost a friend but i really cant do anything to console you... it is what it is you CANT just say to some one people die get over it and except it to work if i lose someone close to me i will be upset for a time and return to normal life after i get used to life with out the person.
i guess what im trying to say is i brought up delusional at a bad time not that im sorry for saying it. just that i said it at this moment
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson you are somewhat stupid..i suggest that you keep your thoughts to yourself, because from what i hear people are annoyed by you..i dont care what you believe, just keep it to yourself..do you think you can handle that? or do i need to put you on a time out like the 5 year old that your acting like..im glad to see that you apologized, good boy.
about an hour ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer Religious people dont keep to them selves.
why should i?
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson because people dont care about you because youre annoying as heck! i seriously cannot talk to you anymore, youre a waste of my time..like i said, thoughts to yourself and you wont hear from me again.
about an hour ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer then why did you comment in the first place?
about an hour ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson obviously you dont have a heart and dont care about debbie enough to let her think what she wants to think without you negatively critizing her, or saying rude comments. and i stick up for my friends when i agree with them and if i dont i KEEP MY MOUTH/FINGERS SHUT..and if thats all you have for a "come back" then this conversation is officially done..im out.
about an hour ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer you've said im done like 3 times?
will it ever be true?
about an hour ago · Like

Melissa Grebel sebastian, you must not have any idea what religion is about. seriously, shut up. just because you dont believe in religion does not mean that you need to force your beliefs on others.
religion is about having hope. and if you dont respect that, you need to grow up and learn that not everything is your way and everyone has their own opinions.
and calling religion a mental illness? really? you must have a mental illness if you cant accept others based on religion. sorry but its true.
you want to bring rationality to the world? peace is rational. so you are opposing yourself by saying that you want a rational world and arguing about religion.

by the way, im saying this as an athiest. so dont even think im siding with debbie cuz im christian. cuz im not.
about an hour ago · Like · 1 person

Natalyn Nelson obviously he's too much of an immature jerk to understand us..
about an hour ago · Like

Melissa Grebel so ive noticed..
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Sebastian Spencer im not trying to force my beliefs on others... Christianity is such a big part of american culture that any dissent is bad
Region is actually a mental illness...to talk to something made up and think its real and listens sounds like talking to my wall and thinking its going to respond and grant my wishes. although thats more likely i can actually see my wall
the only reason i care people believe is not because its different but because it crates war and hate like no gays because of Christianity evolution not being taught? the current war?
there has never been mass murder in the name of Santa... i dont have a problem with people worshiping i have a problem with what they worship and do with the idea there imaginary friend is better then yours
59 minutes ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson just keep your mouth shut ok? ok
56 minutes ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer why because it upsets people?
No.
someone needs to point out that religion is a problem not just Christianity but all of it... im not saying the world would be perfect with out it. it had its place once but we have science and reason now all it does is spread hate and make money for people who dont give a shit about the brainwashed donating. it makes getting stuff in government done harder too. im not going to shut my mouth because you dont agree with me people can have there religion as long as they keep it to themselves. that doesn't happen tho so someone has to fight it
52 minutes ago · Like

Melissa Grebel so what exactly is the difference between god and santa? people talk to and believe in both. how are you ok with santa but not god? hmm..

you fail to acknowledge what the point of religion is. HOPE. and by trying to force you beliefs on othe...
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48 minutes ago · Like · 1 person

Natalyn Nelson how the fudge did santa get in here? you need help kid.
47 minutes ago · Like

Melissa Grebel get over yourself. you think people should keep their religion to themselves? well take your own advice and keep your own stupidity to yourself.
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Sebastian Spencer Santa doesn't tell people to worship him and that if you dont you are going to hell
religion is about fear and control
my reasoning is valid
you also fail to understand what i am saying.
i never said people cant believe what they want or have there own opinions.
i said that they should keep them to themselves because the create real conflict. not a conversation on facebook about how immature and what an asshole i am. but real war real hate gay bashing not allowing abortion attacking buildings full of people because they disagree.

it would be wonderful if with religion we could have peace but
people refuse to accept that other people are different and that's okay which creates conflict.

IF YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT MY PROBLEM IS WITH THE CONFLICTS PEOPLE HAVE BECAUSE THEY THINK THERE IDEA IS BETTER THEN SOMEONE ELSE'S THEN THIS CONVERSATION IS
POITNLESS

also please explain how i am being immature i explain my self fairly well i do not become angry and insult you and i do not say STFU because i did not write a reason that invalidates my your point
35 minutes ago · Like

Natalyn Nelson My name is Joe Drumm. I am a freshman attending UW Lacrosse as a declared Biochemistry Major. A few things I've learned over college (particularly in Biology) have reaffirmed my faith that there is a god. To disagree with organized religion is one thing (I can see why people do so) but to say there isn't a god is absolutely ridiculous. I have two main points to make:
1) Science cannot replicate the start of life
As a scientist, I believe in natural selection as well as evolution. I believe creatures can adapt to their surroundings. However, as a scientist, I'm also forced to accept the fact that the begings of life cannot be replicated. Science has tried for decades to produce even the smallest form of life from the 'primordial soup'. However, the scientific community has been unsuccessful. Scientific theory dictates that if a hypothesis is not able to be successfully replicated, then it must be thrown out. As of now, we cannot explain how life was formed.
2) ATP
ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) is the basic energy source for cells. I could write a long explanation as to how this is done, however i'll stick to the basics. In a Eukariotic cell (animal and plant cells) ATP is converted by a specific protein. This protein is critical in our survival due to how much ATP it produces. Our cells require a large amount of this substance to survive. Without this protien, we produce about 2 molecules. With it, we produce 32 (the time frame is nanoseconds i believe, so without, 2 atp/ns and with 32 atp/ns). This protein produces this large amount of ATP by using mechanical motion (again, complicated) to crush together ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a Phosphate molecule. Yes. Mechanical motion. Within a cell. Now I'm a scientist-to-be, not a statistician, but what do you think the chances are of a cell using mechanical energy to produce enough ATP to sustain us?

In conclusion, don't fuck with the idea of there not being a god. There's too much science cannot explain.
29 minutes ago · Like

Sebastian Spencer that is the most ridiculous argument i have heard
1.If there is this god how did it come in to being?
2.so because we cant explain something yet that automatically makes god real. we couldn't prove the earth was round? but it is and we can prove it now. your logic is flawed. your god idea creates a logic loop and therefor fails.
dont assume you are a master of biochemistry because you took a freshman collage course.
you should read some of richard dawkins books mainly the god delusion to your exact argument he has a very good answer much better then mine. just because something is complicated dosent mean it cant exist.
it is much more likely that the primordial soup produced organic matter then there is a being which has no evidence of existence at all and came in to being someway that will remain unexplained. also some physicist i think Stephan Hawkings suggested or proved a very likely theory that matter can be created from "nothing" i dont understand the physics behind it but just putting that out there.

And FYI i was not debating the Existence of a god if you want to Belive in that w.e your choice i was making a point that organised religion is a bad thing.

i also believe that if there is a god that it doesn't deserve to be worshiped nothing does. if there really was a god i doubt it would care if people didn't believe in it. if it was that shallow then why create a universe at all. i think it would be much more pissed about people killing in its name.

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[Darwinian]

When proving a point or arguing your side of a debate that you started is more important to you than the feelings of a grieving friend then something has gone seriously wrong!

[Tiberius]

You want to know how to improve your arguments? How about not using them in the first place. What a vile and pathetic thing to do to a grieving person. If you had any decency in you you'd go back to facebook, delete all your comments, and send her a heartfelt apology.

[Ace Otana]

As crazy as theists may come to be. Try not to debate religion with them in times when loved ones are lost.
When it comes to funerals, it's best to keep quite and show some respect. Regardless of the bullshit that comes out of their mouths.
Simply leave it be.

[Minimalist]

Thanks for reminding me why I avoid facebook like the plague.

[yuriythebest]

Thanks for reminding me why I avoid facebook like the plague.

ditto

[Eoin]

You want to know how to improve your arguments? How about not using them in the first place. What a vile and pathetic thing to do to a grieving person. If you had any decency in you you'd go back to facebook, delete all your comments, and send her a heartfelt apology.

I agree completely. What i did was wrong i took advantage of a friends grief for my own entertainment and to try and make a stupid point. i took your advice and went back to Facebook deleted my comment's and sent my friend an apology i did not apologize for what i said i apologized for saying things when she was grieving and that i don't care she believes in a god and for being a Horrible vile person.
I did not ask for her to forgive me.
There is no excuse for what i did.
I was inconsiderate and just plane mean.
and please do not think i am trying to redeem myself.
i deserve your disgust.

[Tiberius]

Hey, we all make mistakes. What makes us good people is realising them (or that others' criticism is correct) and trying to correct the wrong. I'm glad you did the right thing.

[Eoin]

Hey, we all make mistakes. What makes us good people is realising them (or that others' criticism is correct) and trying to correct the wrong. I'm glad you did the right thing.

yeah, i realized i did the wrong thing before i posted this but was too stupid to stop commenting.
your criticism really showed me how dumb i was.
thank you