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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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OP doesn;t seem to be looking for any rational explanation for atheism.
Rather..he needs someones help with words..which, I guess we should have known right from the OP.
What do words really mean...I mean, like, can you prove that words even is..huh, can you! Checkmate!
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:03 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Ybe Wrote: There is no demand for you change views, only asked for a logical, rational reason for holding the view you support.
And why should I bother defending what I see as a perfectly logical point of view (lack of belief in a hypothetical entity for which I have never seen any credible evidence) for the benefit of an individual with an imaginary friend?
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:04 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 12:42 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: As far as I can tell there is no god, therefore I do not believe in the existence of god.
The irrational thing would be to have no reason to believe in something and believe it anyway.
Why are you finding this so hard to understand? Let's be sure we understand.
"As far as you can tell" is your logical, reasonable, rational, reason to be an A.
So, If someone says, "as far as I can tell no logical rational reasonable reason to be an A exists."
Do you agree that is a rational logical reason to not be an A?
( Reason to be an A) So far, no G vs (Reason to not be an A) So far, no logical reason to be an A
It seems that "so far as I can tell" reasoning is an irrational reason for being an A yet it is believed anyway....
Either (A) vs (not A). If you hold to one or the other what is the rational reason behind that view.
As far as some people can tel; the earth is flat...
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:04 pm
Are you speaking from experience?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm
The OP, and this whole thread, appear to be one massive tu quoque fallacy: "I don't have a rational excuse for my belief, and you don't either!"
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:24 pm
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(May 25, 2018 at 12:53 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I declare that I see no credible evidence for the existence of a deity, and you declare that lack of evidence is not a logical reasonable reason?
I don't believe in werewolves either. I would bet that you would agree that lack of evidence for their existence is a logical reason to not believe in their existence.
Evidence is measurable, testable, and verifiable. This excludes old fairy tales and personal feelings.
All you have proved in this thread so far is that you have no understanding of logic, reason, and evidence.
Please give the measurement, tests, and verification that have proved your statement evidence is measurable, testable, and verifiable.
I like your idea wait maybe your idea hasn't been verified by tests.
(May 25, 2018 at 12:54 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 12:04 pm)Ybe Wrote: (Above bold added by YBe) "Atheism is the not the default for anyone who doesn’t believe in any gods". [now it is true]
OK this is a serious Q, just think before you answer please. Will you please kindly, verify logically, rationally that your position is rational.
And then also give proof that the statement "It'is impossible to be a theist or a deist if you don’t believe in god". Cannot be false".
If you keep just making the assertion as if you think that it is proof, then accept this assertion as absolute proof for you
"atheism is irrational". > Re-asserted <, so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions).
The analytical meaning of the terms theist and deist is that one such doesn't believe in any gods. It is an entailment of what the terms theist and deist mean.
Regardless, the proposition that atheists are irrational is not at all the same type of proposition, so your argument fails.
Atheism is the default for anyone who doesn’t believe in any gods.
vs
Atheism is "not" the default for anyone who doesn’t believe in any gods.
Reason I say so. So, someone says otherwise. If your saying, either above is true then proof other than I/we say so....
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:38 pm
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 3:46 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 4:09 pm by Ybe.)
(May 25, 2018 at 1:01 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: You assert that "atheism is irrational" because you believe in an imaginary friend and you think that everyone should.
The person making the claim that the deity exists bears the burden of proof. We cannot prove that something does NOT exist.
You sound like we made a conscious decision to be an atheist. For most, (and certainly for me) it seems that the claims for the existence of a deity are completely unbelievable. If you don't believe in something's existence, you simply DON'T BELIEVE. Just like you don't believe that Apollo drives the sun across the sky every day.
Out of context, my friend. The assertion was to show a previous assertion was given, and bears the burden of proof (it was an example...)
No ,I think you were drunk and unconscious about your decision to be an A.
(If you don't believe a round earth exists then you don't believe.)
Is there something wrong in asking for a logical rational reason as to why someone takes the position one takes?
Would you accept that the earth is flat because I do not believe it is round as a logical and rational reason?
(May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Astreja Wrote: The OP, and this whole thread, appear to be one massive tu quoque fallacy: "I don't have a rational excuse for my belief, and you don't either!"
OK, I like something different.
If you don't have a rational reason for your belief, how can you claim to know that I don't have a rational reason for my belief?
This is getting to bogged down.
Let's try something.
A: My logical rational reason for being an A is_____________________________.
And that is supported by the logical rational reason of ________________________.
Fill in the blanks and we will have a clear picture of each (As) individual reason and maybe group them together if any are the same and discuss those
Sorta start fresh.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm by drfuzzy.)
Bogged down quotes
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drfuzzy Wrote:
I declare that I see no credible evidence for the existence of a deity, and you declare that lack of evidence is not a logical reasonable reason?
I don't believe in werewolves either. I would bet that you would agree that lack of evidence for their existence is a logical reason to not believe in their existence.
Evidence is measurable, testable, and verifiable. This excludes old fairy tales and personal feelings.
All you have proved in this thread so far is that you have no understanding of logic, reason, and evidence.
Ybe response:
Please give the measurement, tests, and verification that have proved your statement evidence is measurable, testable, and verifiable.
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Scientific evidence: (quote from Wikipedia no less I only have 5 minutes)
“Empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls.” Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation and experimentation, submitted to various forms of analysis. One of the primary tenets of validation and verification of evidence is reproduce-ability. This means that researchers all over the world are able to take the same measurements and run the same tests – and get the same results.
My logical reason for being an Atheist is that no evidence exists that even points to the existence of a deity. When confirmed and verified proof is presented, I will change my mind.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm
Astreja: The OP, and this whole thread, appear to be one massive tu quoque fallacy:
YB: that takes the form
A claims X.
B claims A's claims inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
This form is:
If X is true, then X is supported by L (a logical rational reason)
X is not supported by L
So X is not true
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