What A Surprise

[Brian37]

Hey... those of us who knew better wanted so badly to tell the right what a horrible idea this was.

We told you so tRump. Ya fucking idiot.

This is what President Shithole is doing to global stability.

[Anomalocaris]

Wouldn't this have happened whether or not we played the game with NK?

What has the Trump given away since the summit other than war games that only escalated tensions?

I'm not backing Trump, but other than some stupid rhetoric (which Kim loves), what harm had been done?

Actually, probably not.  

North Korea has achieved minimum deterrence capability early this year.   Kim could sit tight for a little while.   Additional nuclear capability is at this point merely an optional bonus.  

He is doing this now probably because of the opening afforded by the trade war between the US and China, and the escalating tension in the South China Sea.    This gave him new confidence that China will strongly back him if he told trump to eat shit.

He is probably also taking advantage of the fact that trump’s trade war with virtually all of america’s Traditional allies, and particularly the expected disaester at the upcoming NATO summit, would make it impossible for trump to rally anyone other than japan to his cause in threatening NK.  South Korea certainly won’t participate.

[brewer]

Wouldn't this have happened whether or not we played the game with NK?

What has the Trump given away since the summit other than war games that only escalated tensions?

I'm not backing Trump, but other than some stupid rhetoric (which Kim loves), what harm had been done?

They're not war games, they're joint manoeuvres designed to ensure a properly coordinated joint defence between US and South Korean forces in event of a North Korean attack.  By abandoning them not alone is Trump decreasing the effictiveness of a hypothetical future defence against an attack, but much worse he is signalling to US allies in East Asia that they can't depend on him if they get attacked.

Expect both South Korea and Japan to move much closer to China in the near future.

OK, war games was a poor choice. Have they been completely abandoned or only cancelled? If NK does not continue to play can't they be reinstituted?

NK saber rattles and we rattle back, what good does that do? I think the summit de-escalated the chance of attack from NK.

[Anomalocaris]

They're not war games, they're joint manoeuvres designed to ensure a properly coordinated joint defence between US and South Korean forces in event of a North Korean attack.  By abandoning them not alone is Trump decreasing the effictiveness of a hypothetical future defence against an attack, but much worse he is signalling to US allies in East Asia that they can't depend on him if they get attacked.

Expect both South Korea and Japan to move much closer to China in the near future.

OK, war games was a poor choice. Have they been completely abandoned or only cancelled? If NK does not continue to play can't they be reinstituted?

NK saber rattles and we rattle back, what good does that do? I think the summit de-escalated the chance of attack from NK.

There was never a chance of any attack from NK.   The summit merely superficially de-escalated trump’s own fire and brimstone rhetoric and threats to attack.  

He claimed credit for putting out a fire he started, and in the process of doing so blindsided South Korea and the japan by unilaterally canceling schedule joint schedule exercises without prior consultation with other partners of the exercise.    So the US today is in a weaker position vs North Korea than if the summit had never taken place.

Yes, the exercises can be resumed.  But so long as trump is president they will never again reassure South Korea and japan as they once did because rather than being evidence of steady American commitment to collaborative mutural defense, it is now but a symbol of American fickleness and unpredictable willingness to pull the rug out from under them.

Yes, the summit strengthened China’s Hand and weakened that of the US. Trump’a idiocy in starting a trade war with China is made further manifest by China playing that hand now.

[Minimalist]

He gave Kim a propaganda bonanza. That's plenty of damage right there.

[Whateverist]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/us-inte...talks-nbc/

US intelligence believes North Korea making more nuclear bomb fuel despite talks: NBC

The network cited U.S. officials as saying that the intelligence assessment concludes that North Korea has more than one secret nuclear site in addition to its known nuclear fuel production facility at Yongbyon.

“There is absolutely unequivocal evidence that they are trying to deceive the U.S.,” NBC quoted one official as saying.

That should be a snap with the fucking moron we have in charge.

But given that everything he does is based on building a phony image of himself, what do you want to bet he won't cover up that evidence?

[Brian37]

They're not war games, they're joint manoeuvres designed to ensure a properly coordinated joint defence between US and South Korean forces in event of a North Korean attack.  By abandoning them not alone is Trump decreasing the effictiveness of a hypothetical future defence against an attack, but much worse he is signalling to US allies in East Asia that they can't depend on him if they get attacked.

Expect both South Korea and Japan to move much closer to China in the near future.

OK, war games was a poor choice. Have they been completely abandoned or only cancelled? If NK does not continue to play can't they be reinstituted?

NK saber rattles and we rattle back, what good does that do? I think the summit de-escalated the chance of attack from NK.

The problem with what President Shithole has done, is that he has ignored his own intel, and been as so arrogant as to claim he could solve what no president republican or democrat prior could do. There is a reason that Reagan, and Bush Sr and Clinton, and Bush Jr and Obama all let China keep NK on a leash. Giving the lost Stooge Un a face to face visit has allowed him the legitimacy Un should not have. 

It is also an affront to Japan our ally.

[brewer]

Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing the gloom and doom that you are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio...ost-summit

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fro...singapore/

[GUBU]

OK, war games was a poor choice. Have they been completely abandoned or only cancelled? If NK does not continue to play can't they be reinstituted?

NK saber rattles and we rattle back, what good does that do? I think the summit de-escalated the chance of attack from NK.

My guess would be completely cancelled until such time as Trump either remembers he's been gulled (fat chance of that), or he needs to look strong for the cameras (possible, though not for a few years yet).

[Anomalocaris]

Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing the gloom and doom that you are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio...ost-summit

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fro...singapore/

Doom and gloom? Next to what trump is doing to the country domestically? What is happening in North Korea isn’t even capable of registering as a blip.