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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 12:46 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 12:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:Explain to me where my logic is wrong, but please do not falsely accuse me of making a bigoted comment.
Delighted to explain, and your comment was bigoted. Here's why:
Quote:If Catholic were a race, then they should all be Irish or Italian.
This statement presumes 1) that all Catholics are Caucasian, and 2) that all Catholics are in Ireland and Italy. Since the majority of the world's Catholics are both non-white and don't reside in those two countries, you've made a bigoted statement. A less bigoted (but still inaccurate) statement would be, 'If Catholic were a race, they should all be Brazilian or Argentinian' (there are more Catholics in South American than in Europe).
Boru
No, I was saying it is wrong to assume what you just said. Your point was my point.
Go back and read my prior post you reacted to.
Not all Catholics are Italian, nor are they Irish nor are they all white. My point in bringing this up is that Israel is a geography, not a religion, not a race. India is a geography, not a religion. America is a geography not a religion.
And your skin tone does not dictate that you never migrate, nor does it dictate that you have to keep your prior religions.
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 12:47 pm
It's not a race? The finish line appears to be heaven, hell, rebirth,.............
2 Timothy 4:7
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 1:13 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2018 at 1:13 pm by Aegon.)
Jewish is definiteky a race in its own way, distinct from the religion. Ask a geneticist.
Speaking as somebody who is "half Jewish"
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 1:16 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 10:15 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Like it or not, there does appear to be a correlation between belonging to those religions and belonging to certain ethnic or racial groups. It probably requires more than that to conclude from someone's remark about a particular religion or religious adherent that they are stereotyping unfairly on the basis of that ethnic or racial correlation, but it does make a strong prima facie case that such comments might be directed at assumptions about race or ethnicity rather than religion.
David Baddiel put it best when he said he is an atheist but jewish enough that the Nazis would've killed him.
So its more complex than it seems at first glance.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2018 at 1:53 pm by Brian37.)
(July 4, 2018 at 1:16 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 10:15 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Like it or not, there does appear to be a correlation between belonging to those religions and belonging to certain ethnic or racial groups. It probably requires more than that to conclude from someone's remark about a particular religion or religious adherent that they are stereotyping unfairly on the basis of that ethnic or racial correlation, but it does make a strong prima facie case that such comments might be directed at assumptions about race or ethnicity rather than religion.
David Baddiel put it best when he said he is an atheist but jewish enough that the Nazis would've killed him.
So its more complex than it seems at first glance.
It is only complex in the context it is needlessly so. Most liberals accept we should all have equal rights and that we are all humans. But it is still important to understand those complexities for diplomacy reasons.
All I am trying to point out is that you cannot single out one religion and ignore others.
Humans do wrongfully confuse race, culture, ethnic, nationality as being religion itself. Those do exist, and humans do discriminate based on those things, but again, one cannot choose their skin tone, or facial features, nor can they chose where they are born. But we can grow to say to ourselves, "what my society, family sold me no longer makes any sense to me."
(July 4, 2018 at 12:47 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: It's not a race? The finish line appears to be heaven, hell, rebirth,.............
2 Timothy 4:7
LOL, I stand corrected. It is a race, a needless race over whose fictional deity will win the Kentucky Derby.
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RE: Religion shouldn't be called a race.
July 4, 2018 at 3:14 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 1:16 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: David Baddiel put it best when he said he is an atheist but jewish enough that the Nazis would've killed him.
So its more complex than it seems at first glance.
It is only complex in the context it is needlessly so. Most liberals accept we should all have equal rights and that we are all humans. But it is still important to understand those complexities for diplomacy reasons.
All I am trying to point out is that you cannot single out one religion and ignore others.
And here I thought you were trying to point out that racial (or ethnic) groups and religious groups are not in any way related so the two shouldn't be conflated.
I wonder where I got that idea from?
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