The Bible

[Skipper]

Nice use of both the created and evolved banners there.

Ta.

How is that possible by the way?

[Edwardo Piet]

By God being the Creator but Evolution still occurring.

[Stempy]

How is that possible by the way?

Is it possible that Conway created the Game of Life?

[Skipper]

By God being the Creator but Evolution still occurring.

But the "I was created" banner, I always assumed was talking about creation as is proposed in the old testament?

[Stempy]

But the "I was created" banner, I always assumed was talking about creation as is proposed in the old testament?

And why is that a problem?

[Skipper]

But the "I was created" banner, I always assumed was talking about creation as is proposed in the old testament?

And why is that a problem?

It's hard to believe in that and evolution seeing as they are completely different ideas on how we came about.

[Stempy]

It's hard to believe in that and evolution seeing as they are completely different ideas on how we came about.

That's probably because you are making a category error. Evolution has to do with material causation; creation has to do with agent causation. The OT creation accounts teach about the purpose of creation and the purposer. Ancient Near Eastern Hebrews didn't say anything of any relevance to whether evolution is true, or even the age of the Earth.

Stempy.

[Minimalist]

The OT creation accounts teach about the purpose of creation and the purposer.

The world at first was endless space in which existed only the Creator, Taiowa. This world had no time, no shape, and no life, except in the mind of the Creator. Eventually the infinite creator created the finite in Sotuknang, whom he called his nephew and whom he created as his agent to establish nine universes. Sotuknang gathered together matter from the endless space to make the nine solid worlds. Then the Creator instructed him to gather together the waters from the endless space and place them on these worlds to make land and sea. When Sotuknang had done that, the Creator instructed him to gather together air to make winds and breezes on these worlds.

Hopi Creation Myth

All humans are descended from one pair of ancestors, Rangi and Papa, who are also called Heaven and Earth. In those days, Heaven and Earth clung closely together, and all was darkness. Rangi and Papa had six sons: Tane-mahuta, the father of the forests and their inhabitants; Tawhiri-ma-tea, the father of winds and storms; Tangaroa, the father of fish and reptiles; Tu-matauenga, the father of fierce human beings; Haumia-tikitiki, the father of food that grows without cultivation; and Rongo-ma-tane, the father of cultivated food. These six sons and all other beings lived in darkness for an extremely long time, able only to wonder what light and vision might be like.

Finally the sons of Heaven and Earth decided something must be done. Tu-matauenga, the father of fierce human beings, urged his brothers to slay their parents. However, Tane-mahuta, the father of the forests and their inhabitants, argued that they should separate their parents, making Rangi the distant sky over their heads and Papa the earth close to them like a mother. After long debate, the brothers agreed to this plan, except for Tawhiri-ma-tea, the father of winds and storms, who was distraught at the idea of separating their parents. The other brothers nonetheless proceeded with their plan.

Maori Creation Myth

Long, long ago, when heaven and earth were still one, the entire universe was contained in an egg-shaped cloud. All the matter of the universe swirled chaotically in that egg. Deep within the swirling matter was Pan Gu, a huge giant who grew in the chaos. For 18,000 years he developed and slept in the egg. Finally one day he awoke and stretched, and the egg broke to release the matter of the universe. The lighter purer elements drifted upwards to make the sky and heavens, and the heavier impure elements settled downwards to make the earth.

Chinese Creation Myth

In the beginning there were neither sun, nor stars, nor anything else that we know today. For a long time, the only man was Man-never-known-on-Earth. He created everything. When he created the world, he created land and water, but they were not separate, and still everything was dark. Then Man-never-known-on-Earth created a man who was known as Man-with-the-Power-to-Carry-Light and a woman named Bright-Shining-Woman. Everything that they needed, they dreamed of, and it was there when they awoke. Bright-Shining-Woman received an ear of corn and knew that it would be the food of generations to come.

Wichita Creation Myth

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSIndex.html



Primitive men, it would seem, had no trouble inventing gods to explain things. Ancient Near Eastern goat herders are not an exception.

[Stempy]

Primitive men, it would seem, had no trouble inventing gods to explain things. Ancient Near Eastern goat herders are not an exception.

What is your point?

[Edwardo Piet]

It's hard to believe in that and evolution seeing as they are completely different ideas on how we came about.

But it's not impossible. Because even with a literal interpretation of Genesis.... it's not impossible that things evolved afterwards. And just because things have evolved since, it's not impossible that life began from creation, even of the literal kind.

Creation Vs Evolution is a false Dichotomy. That is why even if evolution is false there is still no evidence for creation.