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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 8:51 am
(September 18, 2018 at 10:24 am)alpha male Wrote: (September 18, 2018 at 9:18 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: She should have made it public before the woman who trusted her with the information agreed to it?
No need to make it public. There were closed-door sessions in addition to the public hearings. And, it could have been offered with the accuser's name redacted.
Quote:The timing of the 65 women who vouch that the man didn't rape THEM would indicate that the administration was aware that someone might accuse Kavenaugh of rape.
How so?
Quote:No one has called it evidence but RR. An accusation does warrant investigation.
You would think. Yet, during the normally scheduled hearings, the accusation wasn't brought up. Go figure.
Quote:And Kavanaugh is not facing jail over this, the evidence does not have to be beyond a reasonable doubt for it to quite rightly derail his nomination. I don't have to have enough evidence to convict when choosing not to select a potential employee if I have merely sufficient reason to think they've committed a crime that would lead me to think they are not a good fit for my team. No one has a right to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Agreed, but...
Quote:Not to mention it's what, 50 days before the midterms?
Yes, delay in hope of securing a senate majority is the obvious intent.
Quote:I believe a precedent has been set that we should 'wait for the people to speak' before trying to rush through a Supreme Court nomination.
Then they should make that argument, instead of withholding charges during the regular hearings and springing them afterward.
If the Republicans had 65 people ready to testify within a day or so of Feinstein announcing this, they can hardly have been unaware of the accusation. And since there were closed-door meetings, we can't know it was never brought up. Not to mention the allegation was first made public years ago.
The 'argument' that confirmation should wait until after the election is only effective when you are in the majority and in control of the relevant committees, you might as well be whistling if you're not That the Republicans have abandoned that position when its their guy only points up their hypocrisy. There's no such thing as the 'Biden Rule' unless it's convenient. When Biden suggested it, there was a Democrat majority Senate and it still wasn't made a 'rule'. If Kavanaugh's appointment is delayed until after the election, that's not because such delays are a reasonable application of Senate norms due to proximity to elections, it's just karma, and only putting up a guy with so many issues made it possible.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 8:56 am
Who cares? If Kavanaugh did what he did, then, he's a felon. No statue of limitations, which means that he can (and, probably should) go to jail over this. As such, he does not belong on the Court; the Republicans will have to start over.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:01 am
(September 18, 2018 at 3:36 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Yes, the person is now known. Which is good, if this is going to proceed. However that's not where it started. Especially when I have made arguments to absurdity, that have gotten pretty absurd, and people here still says that witness testimony is not evidence. Which the inconsistency was the point of this. That the same arguments used to say that the testimony of scripture is not evidence, seem to think otherwise here.
Again, the only person calling the mere accusation 'evidence' is you. And we've been over outside corroboration and cross-examination before, I'm not going to go over it again because I don't believe you've actually forgotten that discussion.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:02 am
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(September 18, 2018 at 9:58 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Of course the Dems held on to this information until the last minute. Of course they did.
What really galls me is if the shoe were on the other foot--- Tu Quoque/Whataboutism conjecture.
Quote:if Hillary was about to flip the court for a generation
Kavanaugh is a Republican nominee. So was Kennedy. IIRC Kavanaugh clerked for Kennedy and Kennedy likes the Kavanaugh nomination. This sin't flipping the court, it's maintaining the status quo.
(September 19, 2018 at 7:55 am)Jehanne Wrote: No statue of limitations in Maryland:
Judge Won't Testify before the Senate on Monday
Kavanaugh is guilty; he views his vile act as being an "indiscretion", a one-time thing that he did while in high school (and, let's face it, probably, 1 in 10 high school men have done what Kavanaugh did, including, DT), but now, he's a liar. As such, he does not belong on the SCOTUS.
Do you have support for that? Last I heard he categorically denied that the incident occurred.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:22 am
(September 19, 2018 at 8:56 am)Jehanne Wrote: Who cares? If Kavanaugh did what he did, then, he's a felon. No statue of limitations, which means that he can (and, probably should) go to jail over this. As such, he does not belong on the Court; the Republicans will have to start over.
Where are you getting this from? The only crime I know of that has no statute of limitations is murder. Unfortunately while women should be believed, it still amounts to he said she said, and lots of times there can be no physical evidence.
Less than 2% of claims of sexual assault are false reports which means 98% of the claims are credible. Unfortunately as well, there are even many more that go unreported out of fear and or shame. I find her very credible, because she mentioned it back in 2012 and passed a polygraph.
But as far as statutes, the reason we have them, isn't because you want bad guys to go free, but long term you don't want government to be come mob rule and have unlimited power. Trust me, I don't like Kavanaugh one fucking bit. The entries in his Yrbook, from his gang of goons, says a lot about the climate of spoiled prep brats, on top of his career rulings against women's reproductive rights.
Al Franken stepped down for far less. But "felon" is a legal term for the convicted, not the accused. The hearings are going to be a joke show by the GOP if they don't allow her supporting witnesses. The GOP has no morals and are only caring about power. If they did allow her witnesses he'd be disqualified even before it got to a hearing.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:27 am
I already posted the link but here it is again:
Quote: Judge Won't Testify before the Senate on Monday
No, not that judge. Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh's friend who was in the room when Kavanaugh allegedly tried to rape Christine Blasey Ford. Judge may have talked to a lawyer and discovered that there is no statute of limitations in Maryland for rape, attempted rape, and related crimes, so there is a big downside and little upside for him to testify. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) could subpoena him, but it is unlikely that he will do it, since he would prefer that the whole issue of Kavanaugh's behavior one night when he was about 17 would just go away.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:30 am
Actually, Kennedy was one of the big swing votes for the Supreme Court (he authored the majority opinions on several major cases related to gay rights, including Obergefell v. Hodges) and he’s being replaced with THE most conservative judge in DC today. So, no, Omega Boy, this isn’t simply maintaining the status quo. If Kavanaugh was prone to going either way, ideologically, that would be maintaining the status quo. Christ, if he was replacing Clarence Thomas, that would be maintaining the status quo, but that’s not what’s happening: Trump is replacing a moderate with someone who thinks the President should be above the law. And given that Trump places fealty and ideological purity over everything else, this makes Kavanaugh dangerous.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:42 am
Hey, did you know?
Kavanaugh went to all boy's school.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:42 am
(September 19, 2018 at 9:30 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Actually, Kennedy was one of the big swing votes for the Supreme Court (he authored the majority opinions on several major cases related to gay rights, including Obergefell v. Hodges) and he’s being replaced with THE most conservative judge in DC today. So, no, Omega Boy, this isn’t simply maintaining the status quo. If Kavanaugh was prone to going either way, ideologically, that would be maintaining the status quo. Christ, if he was replacing Clarence Thomas, that would be maintaining the status quo, but that’s not what’s happening: Trump is replacing a moderate with someone who thinks the President should be above the law. And given that Trump places fealty and ideological purity over everything else, this makes Kavanaugh dangerous.
His history of assaulting women's reproductive rights is bad enough, but just as dangerous is daring to suggest that we scrap real time, in the moment oversight of a president. Saying we can charge them after they leave, would not change the damage they could do before they leave. He'd be in the position of setting up a dictator.
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RE: Kavanaugh Can Join Thomas.
September 19, 2018 at 9:48 am
538: Kennedy wasn't a moderate
He wasn't quite as conservative as some others, but he was no moderate. Plus, you never know how a justice will vote once they're on the court. Kennedy wasn't expected to be a swing vote when nominated.
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