Mostly bizarre.

[Peebothuhlu]

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1)You start from a position that a body-brain is necessary to establish an interaction with the consciousness.
2)There is no need for that.
3)Thousand of NDEs already demonstrated that you are YOU no matter what.
4)In fact without a body-brain you are much much better.
5)It is like when you get out your car after being stuck inside for a lifetime.
6)That is what freedom is all about PT.  

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1) No, I see/experience nothing BUT bodies with brains.
If you see differently, please point out said different things.
2) You keep making that assertion. We (I) keep asking you to demonstrate it.
3)Again, as I pointed out. ALL the people you are referenceing are (A) Still alive. Both before and after the experiance.(B)How can some one verify the 'Insubstancial' at the time of said person, effectivly, "Being nothing more than conciousness"?(Supposedly)©Millions of anecdotal comments still do not make anything true.
How does one independantly and empircally test such things?
4)Another assertion. Please, as asked multiple times, provide some evidence/.proof.
5)Your car analogy is not working. It is a poor analogy. Heck, it's down right pining for the fjords at this point.
6)Sorry. I do not parse this comment in relation to our discussion.

Much cheers.

Not at work.
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[Little Rik]

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Among all dogmaS that most atheists carry in their mind there is the one that total life end with the physical death.
Once atheists get deep in this dogma they will find impossible to understand all the rest so to think that a debt has got to be repay in future lives doesn't make any sense because according to them there is not any future life.
From this dogma a multitude of other dogmas pop up as per magic and you guys find yourself in a sea of dogmas which will make very very difficult to understand anything.
In karma whether we are dealing with a little girl or an old ugly man the situation is such that in reality nobody lose his-her life because physical death is not the death of the self.
Life continue regardless.

As much as you I also hate to see a little girl suffering however the difference between me and you is that I am not an hypocrite like you that go around in a blaming drive and at the same time until now you did refuse to tell whether people should or should not pay for their debts.

SHAME ON YOU chimp.  

So,  a few years ago a local 9 year old girl was raped, strangled, then drowned in a creek.Did she deserve this?  Do you consider her murderer an avenging angel?

I do not believe in revenge but I do believe in justice therefore there is no such a thing as avenging or revenge in karma but an act to balance the lost equilibrium between positive and negative.

All previous actions in previous lives are registered in our subconscious mind and obviously in order to restore the lost equilibrium an opposite and equal reaction has got to take place sooner or later.
We humans do not know what we did in previous lives because is not possible for most of us to have access to our subconscious mind and that is one of the reason why we feel angry when we see people die in tragic ways or we ourself have to endure some form of hard time.
Is not for me to say whether people who are dealing with a bad or terrible karma deserve that or not.
I am not running the karma after all.
All I can do is to help anyone in need and possibly to avoid people suffering.  

All stupid judgements I leave to idiots   that fail to understand how the system works.  

[Angrboda]

Matthew 5:22 '...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'

Study scripture, boy.

Boru

...You probably mean that Matthew that lives few thousand years ago isn't it Bor?

Unfortunately we know very little about what these guys really said.
Everything has been distorted by corrupted priests.

Evidence or GTFO.

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All I can do is ... possibly to avoid people suffering.  

Well you right piss that one away every time you open your mouth.

[unfogged]

So,  a few years ago a local 9 year old girl was raped, strangled, then drowned in a creek.Did she deserve this?  Do you consider her murderer an avenging angel?

I do not believe in revenge but I do believe in justice therefore there is no such a thing as avenging or revenge in karma but an act to balance the lost equilibrium between positive and negative.

All previous actions in previous lives are registered in our subconscious mind and obviously in order to restore the lost equilibrium an opposite and equal reaction has got to take place sooner or later.
We humans do not know what we did in previous lives because is not possible for most of us to have access to our subconscious mind and that is one of the reason why we feel angry when we see people die in tragic ways or we ourself have to endure some form of hard time.
Is not for me to say whether people who are dealing with a bad or terrible karma deserve that or not.
I am not running the karma after all.
All I can do is to help anyone in need and possibly to avoid people suffering.  

All stupid judgements I leave to idiots   that fail to understand how the system works.  

That "system" is one of the most immoral ones it would be possible to devise and attempts to defend it are simply despicable. The only good thing about it is that you are unable to present a shred of evidence that anything you say is based in anything more than your own imagination.

[Little Rik]

I do not believe in revenge but I do believe in justice therefore there is no such a thing as avenging or revenge in karma but an act to balance the lost equilibrium between positive and negative.

All previous actions in previous lives are registered in our subconscious mind and obviously in order to restore the lost equilibrium an opposite and equal reaction has got to take place sooner or later.
We humans do not know what we did in previous lives because is not possible for most of us to have access to our subconscious mind and that is one of the reason why we feel angry when we see people die in tragic ways or we ourself have to endure some form of hard time.
Is not for me to say whether people who are dealing with a bad or terrible karma deserve that or not.
I am not running the karma after all.
All I can do is to help anyone in need and possibly to avoid people suffering.  

All stupid judgements I leave to idiots   that fail to understand how the system works.  

That "system" is one of the most immoral ones it would be possible to devise and attempts to defend it are simply despicable. The only good thing about it is that you are unable to present a shred of evidence that anything you say is based in anything more than your own imagination.

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How can a system that keep the universe alive and well can be immoral?
In any case would you be happy to see people get away with all sort of crimes?
Even in science it is said that every action will have an equal and opposite reaction.
I am sure that one day when atheists and other people who do not believe in karma will get rid of their dogmas and mental garbage will agree with me.

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1)You start from a position that a body-brain is necessary to establish an interaction with the consciousness.
2)There is no need for that.
3)Thousand of NDEs already demonstrated that you are YOU no matter what.
4)In fact without a body-brain you are much much better.
5)It is like when you get out your car after being stuck inside for a lifetime.
6)That is what freedom is all about PT.  

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1) No, I see/experience nothing BUT bodies with brains.
If you see differently, please point out said different things.
2) You keep making that assertion. We (I) keep asking you to demonstrate it.
3)Again, as I pointed out. ALL the people you are referenceing are (A) Still alive. Both before and after the experiance.(B)How can some one verify the 'Insubstancial' at the time of said person, effectivly, "Being nothing more than conciousness"?(Supposedly)©Millions of anecdotal comments still do not make anything true.
How does one independantly and empircally test such things?
4)Another assertion. Please, as asked multiple times, provide some evidence/.proof.
5)Your car analogy is not working. It is a poor analogy. Heck, it's down right pining for the fjords at this point.
6)Sorry. I do not parse this comment in relation to our discussion.

Much cheers.

Not at work.

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[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

I know English is not Little Rik's first language....... but.....

What the heck does "...The system that keeps the univers alive..." mean? Perhaps use/try different words Little Rik?

The term "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." is quite true for physics.

It is fundamental to how rockets work.

Using such for an analogy in this case, though, is rather poor. Though, again, I would probably put it down to Little Rik's not so good (But hopefully getting better with our help and interactions)English.

Now, unfortunately, because Littile Rik's previous two points don't quite work in their translation into English nor does their final assertion.

Ah well. Hopefully we'll get better at communicating with each other as time goes on.

[chimp3]

So,  a few years ago a local 9 year old girl was raped, strangled, then drowned in a creek.Did she deserve this?  Do you consider her murderer an avenging angel?

I do not believe in revenge but I do believe in justice therefore there is no such a thing as avenging or revenge in karma but an act to balance the lost equilibrium between positive and negative.

All previous actions in previous lives are registered in our subconscious mind and obviously in order to restore the lost equilibrium an opposite and equal reaction has got to take place sooner or later.
We humans do not know what we did in previous lives because is not possible for most of us to have access to our subconscious mind and that is one of the reason why we feel angry when we see people die in tragic ways or we ourself have to endure some form of hard time.
Is not for me to say whether people who are dealing with a bad or terrible karma deserve that or not.
I am not running the karma after all.
All I can do is to help anyone in need and possibly to avoid people suffering.  

All stupid judgements I leave to idiots   that fail to understand how the system works.  

I fail to see how any balance of positive  and negative energies can be attained by a rape/ murder. Does the rapist create any negative imbalance of energy? Your system seems to alleviate the rapist of guilt. Your mind is sick to view this as a mathematical problem.

[unfogged]

How can a system that keep the universe alive and well can be immoral?

Ignoring the utter stupidity of "keeping the universe alive and well"... you are supporting punishing somebody for something they have no knowledge of and no control over.

In any case would you be happy to see people get away with all sort of crimes?

That is not at all what I said. I'd prefer no crime go unpunished but what I would like to be true and what is true are two different things. That is, I have noticed, often a big difference between skeptics and believers. I accept reality as I find it and don't pretend it is how I wish it were.

Even in science it is said that every action will have an equal and opposite reaction.

Misusing science doesn't add support for your position.

I am sure that one day when atheists and other people who do not believe in karma will get rid of their dogmas and mental garbage will agree with me.

There is only one person here that is wallowing in dogma and mental garbage and it isn't the atheists.


Let's try a different tack.... you believe that the consciousness survives the death of the body. I see no reason to believe that. Realizing that I base my beliefs ONLY on what can be shown to be demonstrably true, what evidence can you show me to change my mind?

Before you try:
- dreams, feelings, and wishful thinking have no value
- anecdotes (like NDEs) that can't be independently verified have no value
- speculation about what MIGHT be true his valid only if you have a way to falsify it

[Little Rik]

That is bizarre mate.
First atheists say that evidence is the only way.
After that when you show them clear independent and verifiable evidence they say that this is still no good.
What on earth you want?
Do you want the sky to fall down?

[LastPoet]

Yep, it is the only thing Obelix was afraid of.