The rational and logical sayings of Household of guidance.

[Mystic]

(1) Why in progeny of Hussain and not Hassan? A rational reply!


And he made it a word to continue in his posterity that they may return… (Surah Zukhruf 43:28)
Imam (a.s.) replied: It refers to Imamate which after Imam Husain (a.s.) is appointed in his descendants till the day of judgement. Mufazzal asked: O son of the Messenger of Allah, why was Imamate reposed in the descendants of Imam Husain (a.s.) and not in the progeny of Imam Hasan (a.s.), though both were the sons of the Holy Prophet (S), both were leaders of the youth of Paradise, and both were brothers?
The Hazrat said: Moosa and Haroon both were messenger prophets and were brothers of each other, but Allah appointed the Imamate in the progeny of Haroon and not in the progeny of Moosa. No one has the right to object why it happened like that. Imamate is the vicegerancy of Allah on the earth and no one has the right to object why Allah made Imams from the progeny of Imam Husain (a.s.) and not in the descendants of Imam Hasan (a.s.), because Allah is wise in His actions. Whatever He does it is according to wisdom, as He says:
He cannot be questioned concerning what He does and they shall be questioned. (Surah Anbiya 21:23)

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(2) Proof the firm knowledge is going to be in the progeny of Fatima and Ali!

Ibne Mahyar has related from Sulaiman bin Qays that: One day we were in the mosque, Ali (a.s.) arrived and said: Ask me whatever you like before that you don’t find me anymore, and ask me the exegesis of the Quran because there is knowledge of the first and the last ones in it and it has left nothing for anyone.

And no one knows the meanings of the Quran except Allah and those firmly rooted in knowledge and the firmly rooted in knowledge is not one but many, one of them was the Holy Prophet (S). Allah had taught him the knowledge of the Quran. The Holy Prophet (S) taught me and this knowledge shall remain in his progeny till the day of Qiyamat. Then the Hazrat recited this verse:

…in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the family of Moses and the family of Aaron has left, the angels bearing it… (Surah Baqarah 2:248)

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Allllll-right-y then.

I feel I must reiterate;

What makes Mystic Knighf think there is a diety.

EXCLUDING any and all things to do with their book written about such things.

Where is the corroborating information/evidence?

Cheers.

[LadyForCamus]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Just a thought, MK - when you are quoting something directly, it is considered good form to credit the source you're using.  Otherwise, it's called 'plagiarism'.

https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-...es-wilayat


Boru

[Minimalist]

[Brian37]

(1) Why in progeny of Hussain and not Hassan? A rational reply!


And he made it a word to continue in his posterity that they may return… (Surah Zukhruf 43:28)
Imam (a.s.) replied: It refers to Imamate which after Imam Husain (a.s.) is appointed in his descendants till the day of judgement. Mufazzal asked: O son of the Messenger of Allah, why was Imamate reposed in the descendants of Imam Husain (a.s.) and not in the progeny of Imam Hasan (a.s.), though both were the sons of the Holy Prophet (S), both were leaders of the youth of Paradise, and both were brothers?
The Hazrat said: Moosa and Haroon both were messenger prophets and were brothers of each other, but Allah appointed the Imamate in the progeny of Haroon and not in the progeny of Moosa. No one has the right to object why it happened like that. Imamate is the vicegerancy of Allah on the earth and no one has the right to object why Allah made Imams from the progeny of Imam Husain (a.s.) and not in the descendants of Imam Hasan (a.s.), because Allah is wise in His actions. Whatever He does it is according to wisdom, as He says:
He cannot be questioned concerning what He does and they shall be questioned. (Surah Anbiya 21:23)

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(2) Proof the firm knowledge is going to be in the progeny of Fatima and Ali!

Ibne Mahyar has related from Sulaiman bin Qays that: One day we were in the mosque, Ali (a.s.) arrived and said: Ask me whatever you like before that you don’t find me anymore, and ask me the exegesis of the Quran because there is knowledge of the first and the last ones in it and it has left nothing for anyone.

And no one knows the meanings of the Quran except Allah and those firmly rooted in knowledge and the firmly rooted in knowledge is not one but many, one of them was the Holy Prophet (S). Allah had taught him the knowledge of the Quran. The Holy Prophet (S) taught me and this knowledge shall remain in his progeny till the day of Qiyamat. Then the Hazrat recited this verse:

…in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the family of Moses and the family of Aaron has left, the angels bearing it… (Surah Baqarah 2:248)

I am not living in antiquity, I have no "lord", I have a president, and even as such a fucking dick of a president who is unfit and should be removed from office. 

I don't like authoritarians, or kings or "lords" and my president is a dictator wannabe and I hate him too.

[no one]

Looks like somebody got into grandma's special cabinet, and got themselves the holiday brownies a little early, huh?

[WinterHold]

I have a question as a non-Shiite Muslim; OP. I asked it to you 2 years ago, and still didn't get an answer:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1652560

please answer these questions before you try to convince me with something else, because it's about a month now without an answer:

Answer any of these.
And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1638653

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AtlasS33 said:

I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-

[/quote]

Any answer to any question? of course you won't answer them, because nobody did. The Shiite cult has nothing to do with Quran; but everything to do with politics and disgusting tribalism.

It's what a defeated, ancient family that lost tribal elections might produce.

[Mystic]

(3)The family of the Prophet authority proven by context!



Part of a long dialogue:

Al-Ma’mun asked, “Did God give distinction to the Prophet’s family over other people?”


Abul Hassan Al-Ridha’ (a.s.) said, “The Honorable the Exalted God gave distinction to the Prophet’s family over other people in the Wise Book.” Al-Ma’mun asked him (a.s.), “Where is that in God’s Book?” Al-Ridha’ (a.s.) told him, “Indeed the Honorable the Exalted God says, ‘Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people. Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.’8 In another place the Honorable the Exalted God says, ‘Or do they envy mankind for what God hath given them of his bounty? But We had already given the family of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great authority’9 After saying this God addresses the believers and says, ‘O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those who hold the authority from you.’10 This means those whom God has given them the Book and the Wisdom for which they are envied. Therefore, what is understood from the Honorable the Exalted God’s words, ‘Or do they envy mankind for what God hath given them of his bounty? So We gave the family of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great authority’ This refers to obeying the Chosen pure ones.”


Imam Ridha is the 8th Successor.

[chimp3]

Sometimes MK gets disoriented and thinks he is posting on a Shiite forum, instead of a forum where people routinely say "Fuck Muhammed!" and " Go blow Allah out your ass! ". These episodes are happening with more frequency.