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Lying for God
#61
RE: Lying for God
(October 16, 2018 at 5:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Probably that's the cause of your negative feelings: you didn't believe in Buddhism strongly; didn't you?

I agree with a lot of the basic (non-theistic) principles like the Four Noble Truths, but the particular group I tumbled into was derived from the Mahayana tradition rather than the Theravada side.  It came with a large side order of woo-woo, attributing supernatural qualities to a mantra and a scroll.  My onboard BS detector prevented me from accepting that aspect of the practice, and eventually I just walked away.
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#62
RE: Lying for God
(October 16, 2018 at 5:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 15, 2018 at 3:17 pm)Astreja Wrote: I find it disheartening that people think they need to be told how to practise a specific philosophy.  I actually spent ten years in a Buddhist sect that had a very specific (and time-intensive) daily ritual.  All the ritual did for me was make me feel anxious when I did not perform the prescribed activities, and frustrated by the time expenditure when I did do it.

I don't believe that the ritual itself helps; but rather the "entity" targeted with it.
God is an intelligent entity, according to my belief. With that in mind, the rituals are mere personal acts to fix the faith in the believer's mind.

In other words; the person uses it to strengthen their belief; if the belief itself is weak, the ritual turns into a set of moves like any sport.
Rituals are boring. Probably that's the cause of your negative feelings: you didn't believe in Buddhism strongly; didn't you?

Actually, depending on the specific ritual, neuroscience supports that certain physical rituals have an effect on brain chemistry independent of the nature of belief. And if one is including meditation among those rituals, I'd argue that goes double, as plenty of studies show benefit of secular meditation and mindfulness aside from studies involving religious practitioners which are more extensive.
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#63
RE: Lying for God
(October 16, 2018 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(October 16, 2018 at 5:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Probably that's the cause of your negative feelings: you didn't believe in Buddhism strongly; didn't you?

I agree with a lot of the basic (non-theistic) principles like the Four Noble Truths, but the particular group I tumbled into was derived from the Mahayana tradition rather than the Theravada side.  It came with a large side order of woo-woo, attributing supernatural qualities to a mantra and a scroll.  My onboard BS detector prevented me from accepting that aspect of the practice, and eventually I just walked away.

Studying Buddhism taught me how to meditate.  Of course I could have learned meditation in other ways, without the mantras and the mandalas and the koans... but since I was studying Buddhism, at least I took something useful with me when I left.  I can't unequivocally make the same claim about Christianity.
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#64
RE: Lying for God
(October 17, 2018 at 2:49 pm)Dr H Wrote:
(October 16, 2018 at 3:22 pm)Astreja Wrote: I agree with a lot of the basic (non-theistic) principles like the Four Noble Truths, but the particular group I tumbled into was derived from the Mahayana tradition rather than the Theravada side.  It came with a large side order of woo-woo, attributing supernatural qualities to a mantra and a scroll.  My onboard BS detector prevented me from accepting that aspect of the practice, and eventually I just walked away.

Studying Buddhism taught me how to meditate.  Of course I could have learned meditation in other ways, without the mantras and the mandalas and the koans... but since I was studying Buddhism, at least I took something useful with me when I left.  I can't unequivocally make the same claim about Christianity.

I eventually settled into a casual nonsectarian mindfulness practice, anywhere/anytime.  Once in a long while I try for a formal seated meditation, but more commonly I just stop what I'm doing and spend a few minutes observing my thoughts and/or the environment.
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