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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 24, 2018 at 10:11 pm
Science is inherently secular. It does not attempt to address topics for which there is no quantifiable evidence.
It does not calculate the breadth of faith nor does it define the mass of piety. Science takes no position on belief. For this you should be grateful.
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 12:02 am
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 12:44 am
(November 24, 2018 at 7:31 pm)Belaqua Wrote: It is mostly irrelevant to them that some religious people have also argued that what he says about infinity applies to God as well.
Unless the theist does not agree with the possibility of an actual infinity, in which case they would not agree that God is infinite.
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 12:48 am
Tack, I think with so much weird shit we see and postulate as far as cosmology, astro physics and atomic theory, I think it's fair to say that nothing is assumed about anything.
The quantum world alone is contradictory to "our" natural universe to start with, so I don't imagine any scientist worrying too much about natural/supernatural definitions when everything they hypothesize is beyond batshit crazy, beyond God, beyond anything I can imagine. Basically, The scientific method shouldn't and doesn't assume anything in case any underlying premise is false and they're just wasting their time
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 1:06 am
science uses the tools at hand to form and test hypothesis. I mean we went from rotten air makes us sick to bacteria makes us sick because of microscopes. We call the miasma theory obsolete now, because it's been disproved and rejected and surpassed because of better tools. Science has always assumed that what it has to measure with (whether logic, math, telescopes or colliders) is sufficient to find an answer. That woks in physics, metaphysics, biolgy all of them. My point was that it assumes that there can be an answer, which is fine. Which is why science will never be able to qualify the super-natural, just reveal superstition in the natural.
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 1:17 am
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True. Maybe only a god can know god? Agree? You know where I'm going next don't you
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 1:31 am
(November 25, 2018 at 1:06 am)tackattack Wrote: science uses the tools at hand to form and test hypothesis. I mean we went from rotten air makes us sick to bacteria makes us sick because of microscopes. We call the miasma theory obsolete now, because it's been disproved and rejected and surpassed because of better tools. Science has always assumed that what it has to measure with (whether logic, math, telescopes or colliders) is sufficient to find an answer. That woks in physics, metaphysics, biolgy all of them. My point was that it assumes that there can be an answer, which is fine. Which is why science will never be able to qualify the super-natural, just reveal superstition in the natural.
Ou, please, the supernature bullshit again.
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 1:44 am
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(November 24, 2018 at 5:55 pm)unfogged Wrote: (November 24, 2018 at 3:42 pm)blue grey brain Wrote: On the contrary, science continues to be an atheistic endeavour.
I think you may be conflating atheistic with secular. Many of the greatest scientists were deeply religious but their achievements meant being able to set aside magical thinking to investigate the actual evidence. I'd be surprised if many weren't inspired by their god beliefs and concluded that what they found was evidence of their god's subtlety and wisdom.
If you read any of the references I left, you'd probably find out that the scientific revolution/age of enlightenment was both secular and atheistic in nature. - I think the issue here, is that most people feel atheism stops at rejecting or lacking belief in God. A somewhat thorough read-through of Wikipedia/atheism will underline how incomplete that picture of atheism is.
Side-note: Being inspired to do science, doesn't generate any science. As you'll probably find out on Wikipedia/atheism, modern science came about by secular or atheistic means.
Side-note: It is also not surprising that most humans were theists, including scientists back then, especially because mankind did not always have modern science (so religion or archaic science/protoscience preceded it) or some of the modern tools which can be used to properly disregard religion. Also note persecution of the non-religious, as you'll see on Wikipedia/religious persecution.
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November 25, 2018 at 2:32 am
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RE: Science is inherently atheistic
November 25, 2018 at 2:35 am
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