Hemispherectomy?

[FatAndFaithless]

Alright, so just gonna ignore the serious points and questions brought up. I shouldn't be surprised at this point.

[Brian37]

 Cockroaches survive too, ever try chasing one down, that is clear evidence of the strive to survive.

Can you reproduce artifcial fear that cockroaches feel in a computer? Brain of cockroach is much simpler than modern supercomputers.

I'll give you credit for one thing, and this is what keeps me going fighting old mythology, this is certainly an old onion wrapped up in a peal attempting to look new.

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life? Cockroaches are made up of the same Adenine, Guanine, Thymine and Cytosine all life, including humans are comprised of. 

This sounds like "Everything has a designer."

Sorry, but if you really want to say because we have bigger brains, that makes us the apple of a sky wizard's eye, try to understand that cockroaches breed far faster than humans, outnumber humans and have existed millions of years before humans. And they don't need to make cloths or build houses or skyscrapers to do so. 

Cockroaches use chemical and vibration detection to move around, find food, note each other, and avoid harm.

If you are basing your parameters on human's bigger brains, so what? That only means we have bigger brains. But when you take into account the billions of species that have lived since life started on earth, and know that after 5 mass extinction events in that 4 billion years, and know that 99% of life since has gone extinct, sorry, knowing the biology of humans, while we do adapt to many things, we are not as suited as cockroaches or bacteria for that matter, to have high odds of surviving the same type of event that killed off the dinosaurs. 

Life is not "designed" it evolved. Humans are only good at being humans, but we don't have the same adaptations as other life. We are not special to this planet, or the sun, or the universe. And there is no sky wizard who made us like we were a factory product.

[Dmitry1983]

Can you reproduce artifcial fear that cockroaches feel in a computer? Brain of cockroach is much simpler than modern supercomputers.

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life?

You claimed that cockroaches experience fear similar to humans. Brain is a computer according to most atheists. You can emulate any computer on any other computer assuming it has enough computational power. Brain of cockroach is tiny so it should not be hard to emulate small part of its tiny brain responcible for feeling of fear on a modern supercomputer.

[FatAndFaithless]

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life?

You claimed that cockroaches experience fear similar to humans. Brain is a computer according to most atheists. You can emulate any computer on any other computer assuming it has enough computational power. Brain of cockroach is tiny so it should not be hard to emulate small part of its tiny brain responcible for feeling of fear on a modern supercomputer.

Bolded mine.  Got a source for 'most atheists'?  Or did one atheist happen to tell you that sometime?  There are characteristics of the brain that behave somewhat similarly to a computer, but I highly doubt any serious person would say that the brain is equal to a computer.

[Angrboda]

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life?

You claimed that cockroaches experience fear similar to humans.

No, he most assuredly did not. Quit pulling crap from your butt.

[Brian37]

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life?

You claimed that cockroaches experience fear similar to humans. Brain is a computer according to most atheists. You can emulate any computer on any other computer assuming it has enough computational power. Brain of cockroach is tiny so it should not be hard to emulate small part of its tiny brain responcible for feeling of fear on a modern supercomputer.

No, I said they evolved to attempt to adapt, survive. I didn't claim they had our brains. Our "fear" is a simply the same adaptation with a bigger complex organ. Remember your bad argument the next time you corner a cockroach, and it zig zags to get away from you. 

No, a brain is a processing organ. You do what most theists do, confuse words that are being used in different contexts.

Again, you are pathetically attempting to put our species as a apex puppet, manufactured product that has some special guardian giving our species special favoritism. That does not ring credible knowing that cockroaches have adaptations that are better than humans outside of our brains. Breeding, small size and even the ability to survive radiation without building anything. 

Penguins have better adaptations too. They can survive on the south pole, in  up to 90 degrees below, without shelter, without cloths. Now, next time you hit a really cold sub zero day where you live, go outside naked. I wouldn't advise it.

The reality is that you are falling for your emotions. I was there myself a long time ago. "Life is amazing", "Humans are unique" so something super human must have made us like a factory product. 

I find life amazing, but I don't find it magic, nor are we a product made by a super cognition. We are good at being humans, we are not good at being cockroaches or penguins.

[I_am_not_mafia]

 Cockroaches survive too, ever try chasing one down, that is clear evidence of the strive to survive.

Can you reproduce artifcial fear that cockroaches feel in a computer? Brain of cockroach is much simpler than modern supercomputers.

Yes.

[Dmitry1983]

Can you reproduce artifcial fear that cockroaches feel in a computer? Brain of cockroach is much simpler than modern supercomputers.

Yes.

I'd like to see source code

[I_am_not_mafia]

"Super computer", yea, those are man made so? What does that have to do with all biological life?

You claimed that cockroaches experience fear similar to humans. Brain is a computer according to most atheists. You can emulate any computer on any other computer assuming it has enough computational power. Brain of cockroach is tiny so it should not be hard to emulate small part of its tiny brain responcible for feeling of fear on a modern supercomputer.

A super computer has different capabilities than a brain. They can perform sequential operations faster. A brain has far greater connectivity. It is inefficient and difficult for one to simulate or compete with another at their respective tasks. A super computer could well be at the stage now where it could simulate the full computational processing power of a cockroach, but the problem is that you can't fit a supercomputer into the body of a cockroach so it wouldn't be able to be embodied, which is critically important to being intelligent (one reason why consciousness is not external). And you couldn't send and receive signals from a robotic cockroach to and from a supercomputer without latency (another reason why consciousness is not external to the brain). But you could simulate an environment for the artificial cockroach.

But to answer your question about fear in a cockroach simulated on a computer. You'd first need to define emotions so you can recognise it when you see it (hence my questions at the beginning of the thread). That way you would know what you are working towards. But also why they would exist. Emotions perform many different functions but in practice they implement large scale modulation of groups of neurons. This effect can last for a lot longer than simple synaptic connections between neurons. Like from seconds to days. They do this by having neuromodulators that bind to receptors on the neuron's body. You can simulate this on a computer. Indeed, I have myself.

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Yes.

I'd like to see source code

I can describe it if you want.

I'm not going to show you my own code.

[Brian37]

Can you reproduce artifcial fear that cockroaches feel in a computer? Brain of cockroach is much simpler than modern supercomputers.

Yes.

Be careful. I am sure our theist friend here will twist what you are saying.

We can produce false perceptions, sure. Roach bait works like that. Create chemicals and smells that attract them. But even with modern transportation, we can program jets to detect dangers, and now even auto assist with breaking and even lane changes to avoid crashes.

Our theist friend here is looking for an excuse to say, "computers exist, so therefor some super computer, God, created us."

The problem is for them, not only the age of the universe, the amount of mass extinctions in the history of evolution, but the problem of infinite regress.

I hate even the si fi fans who try to skip old bronze age deity claims, but still insist we are merely products in a giant "simulation" or "program".

That too suffers the same flaw of infinite regress. If we have a creator "God, or super program" then what created that program, and what created that, ect ect ect.

It makes much more sense to me to think of "all this" as merely a fluctuation between states of on and off, a cycle, just like seasons changing. I don't see any super cognition, or super computer needed for nature or the universe to occur.

Yes we can "simulate" as humans with computers and do. But when one considers the steps between a mere wave function, to a particle, to an atom, to an organism, at that point you are in a macro state, even if QM leads to that state. 

Point is, be there something or nothing prior to this universe, it is absurd to gap fill with what amounts to a projection of our own human qualities in comic book super natural form. 

It makes much more sense to me that consciousness is not a super natural product, but a natural finite blip in a giant ongoing weather pattern.