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Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
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RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 20, 2019 at 10:35 pm)Fireball Wrote: I saw some bimbo with her kid who wanted to get back into the US after finding out how shittily she got treated by those gentle ISIS folks. I worked in defense for long enough to know that she's probably been turned and then will commit crimes for ISIS when she gets back to US soil. Too fucking bad for her, and I'm sorry about the kid, but she fucked up. #nevertobetrusted

I assume that you're talking about Hoda Muthana. She was a very active ISIS propagandist. She suddenly regretted joining ISIS after being captured by Kurdish forces. She's a traitor and an enemy combatant. The Trump administration is denying that she is actually an American citizen, claiming that she was the child of a foreign diplomatic officer working in the US when she was born here. That seems to be a lie. I am not comfortable with denying the citizenship of US citizens. She's a US citizen, but she's a terrorist, a traitor, and an enemy combatant. I would be perfectly comfortable with a quick trial followed by a firing squad. We can't have her coming back here with a lame story about having been brainwashed and regretting what she did. Even if she never commits any more crimes, I just don't think that we can tolerate her. If she were to be repatriated as a free person, someone will go extra-judicial on her ass. It would be hard to blame them for doing it.
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#12
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 20, 2019 at 11:33 pm)fredd bear Wrote: @Fireballl

The word "should' loads a question, making it a matter of moral judgement

." I worked in defense for long enough to know that --"  -------------Logical fallacy; special pleading/ appeal to authority.

I accept that you firmly believe your claim. However, you 'know ' no such thing simply base on your experience.

Easily solved though; let's see your evidence..

PS I served too. So there's no misunderstanding; I spent 14 months overseas, combat battalion, not in a war zone. Infantry X medic

PPS it's spelled "defence"

OK, I "suspect". Of course I have no evidence. Consider me corrected. Rolleyes In the US it's spelled "defense". Or are you just pulling my chain?  Huh
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#13
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
It is against international law to render someone stateless. The proper thing to do is accept repatriation and try them for any crimes they committed.
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RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 21, 2019 at 11:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It is against international law to render someone stateless. The proper thing to do is accept repatriation and try them for any crimes they committed.

The trial is probably the problem. The nature of the crimes is a bit ambiguous. Proving the crimes is problematic. And then there's the Patty Hearst defense. And she's just a poor woman who has to do what the big bad men tell her to do in the fiercely patriarchal ISIS society where no woman can ever be possibly held responsible for the things that she does. I keep thinking that maybe they should just have 'accidents'.
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#15
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 21, 2019 at 11:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It is against international law to render someone stateless. The proper thing to do is accept repatriation and try them for any crimes they committed.

There are many things against international law that many countries find convenient to ignore or circumvent.

I'd welcome her back advising that she has been tried in absentia and will be executed immediately upon her return.
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#16
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 21, 2019 at 2:02 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(February 21, 2019 at 11:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It is against international law to render someone stateless. The proper thing to do is accept repatriation and try them for any crimes they committed.

There are many things against international law that many countries find convenient to ignore or circumvent.

I'd welcome her back advising that she has been tried in absentia and will be executed immediately upon her return.
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#17
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 20, 2019 at 6:46 pm)wyzas Wrote: Part of me wants to say no, they went to fight a war of terrorism. The other part wants to say yes, at least for the ones that are victims.  And there are children that don't deserve to suffer from actions of the parents.  

If repatriated I'm sure they'd need to face charges in their respective nation. If not, what happens to them, death?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/is...women.html

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/18/695831550...-isis-figh

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/108...oned-kurds

should people with a deadly virus be allow in general population if they show no symptoms? They have the bug... just no immediate signs. (which could change if they get a spark of nostalgia for their religion feel jaded for westerns telling what is right or wrong, or Jr grows up angry because they mudered my father..

live by the sword die by the sword. For this reason God had the israelits kill everything that moved. because he knew if they did not they would be in and out of wars forever. 

This is exactly what happened to russia/caused the ussr to go banrupt. they's knock down a group of fighters and a new generation would pop up in it's place. remember the scene in american sniper where the kid was going to blow himself up with a chinese gernade.. that was a real event. alot of times 13 is an adult over there.




what youtube won't show is he had to shoot that kid then the mom pick up the gernade and tried to blow her self up.. 

You are not fighting a army or a military force. those rules do not apply to them. you are fighting a God who sees fit to put all of his able bodied believers on the front lines and is willing to make every home a machine gunner nest. The attitude we need is the one that stopped the war in Japan. they either need to be obliterated from this planet or think we areg going to do just that as with japan.

Japan did not know we only had 2 nukes. we promised we would drop a nuke every month till the war ended. we would wipe out every town city and village and once the emperor saw his whole contry in flames we would then nuke his palace.. essentially we made it known there would be no where for him to run and hide that was not a nuclear waste land before we we took out his palace. 

The fact that we could seemingly make good on this.. So then we systematically took the people God and murdered him slowly infront of the people daily till they understood the emperor was not a god. This worked with people who want to live in the 20th century and beyond... IDK if it will work with people who want to be ing the bronze age
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#18
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
Definitely not wives who went willingly. Fuck them. Their children? That's really tough. Where were they born? Are their parents legit citizens of the nation in question? If so, they have a right to citizenship. Maybe offer the mother the change to give her child up for adoption into said country? I really don't know. Probably arguments against that, but I'm not at all for letting ISIS members back into this country. Other countries' citizens have to speak for themselves.
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RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
(February 21, 2019 at 11:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It is against international law to render someone stateless. The proper thing to do is accept repatriation and try them for any crimes they committed.

In the current case, there is a question as to whether she's a citizen of the U.S. She's probably a citizen of Yemen. They can have her. As for legit U.S. citizens, I'm not sure if U.S. citizens can ditch their own citizenship legally (I know the UK doesn't let people do that), but if you can, and you do pledge allegiance to another country, get fucked. You're not a citizen. If you are a citizen and you haven't disavowed your country, then come on back and face trial. My guess is it won't go well.
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#20
RE: Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?
One can renounce US citizenship. Has she done that? I don't know.

https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...itizenship
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