I hope this isn't true.... Pats owner.

[Jackie]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He paid for sex.  BFD.

Boru

[Jackie]

He paid for sex.  BFD.

Boru

Not the point.

Regulated prostitution between consenting adults, I agree with.

But he isn't accused of going to a legal brothel. Unregulated illegal business attract desperate people who get trapped in sex trafficking.

If you want to argue prostitution should be legal, I am with you. But what we are talking about here are females, even underage females being conned into coming here thinking they will get lagit non sexual jobs, then forced into sex trafficking.

Paying for sex isn't the problem. Exploitation in an unregulated setting is the problem.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He paid for sex.  BFD.

Boru

Not the point.

Regulated prostitution between consenting adults, I agree with.

But he isn't accused of going to a legal brothel. Unregulated illegal business attract desperate people who get trapped in sex trafficking.

If you want to argue prostitution should be legal, I am with you. But what we are talking about here are females, even underage females being conned into coming here thinking they will get lagit non sexual jobs, then forced into sex trafficking.

Paying for sex isn't the problem. Exploitation in an unregulated setting is the problem.

Under these circumstances, trying to tie this man to sex trafficking is like trying to tie a man who buys a piano to ivory poaching.

Boru

[Jackie]

Not the point.

Regulated prostitution between consenting adults, I agree with.

But he isn't accused of going to a legal brothel. Unregulated illegal business attract desperate people who get trapped in sex trafficking.

If you want to argue prostitution should be legal, I am with you. But what we are talking about here are females, even underage females being conned into coming here thinking they will get lagit non sexual jobs, then forced into sex trafficking.

Paying for sex isn't the problem. Exploitation in an unregulated setting is the problem.

Under these circumstances, trying to tie this man to sex trafficking is like trying to tie a man who buys a piano to ivory poaching.

Boru

I didn't say he is part of the ring, anymore than a non famous Jon goes to street prostitutes. All I said is he is a accused of being a Jon. Being a Jon does not mean you are the pimp.

It is still unregulated, and still exploitation. And I also said I hope it is not true.

I am for legal prostitution between adults, but unregulated rackets are dangerous because they are not regulated. Just like it is illegal to street race but there are legal drag strips you can take your car to.

[popeyespappy]

Should have asked his buddy Trump where he got his whores from.

[downbeatplumb]

Should have asked his buddy Trump where he got his whores from.

Eastern Europe.

[Jackie]

Should have asked his buddy Trump where he got his whores from.

Eastern Europe.

Actually the reports I have been seeing on TV are many of these females are from China.

But if you are the organizer of such a racket, any pimp will take what they can manipulate regardless of the nation the female migrates from.  

Sex trafficking is worldwide. 

If I were Kraft's lawyer my defense for him would be, "Yes he went to one of those places, but he never had sex with anyone,  and really did only get a massage. and didn't know it was an illegal brothel and only got a massage." Or argue mistaken identity.

But I am tired of the mistrust of law enforcement when it comes to the wealthy regardless. Due process is one thing, but to assume every investigator in FLA in a swing state that has a tendency to end up red mostly on a state level outside presidential elections is out to get Kraft, much less Stone,  is absurd. 

Just like I am tired of the orange turd vilifying Mueller.

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The other thing that is pissing me off about this coverage is that when a middle class or poor person highers an unregulated exploited female, they are called a "Jon". But if you are rich and also get sex from unregulated prostitution you are suddenly called a "client".