"Hail Satan?" (2019)

[prhill]

The Satanic Temple are fighting to keep the separation of church f state which is very important.  In fact even many christians support them on that because it is so important even to some of them.  They also fight against Pseudoscience which is great because way too many people are being fooled by that stuff even some atheists.  They also fight for other things like womens rights, etc.  They do great things.

Again this is The Satanic Temple that this film is talking about and I am glad it is getting so much positive attention. It is not about LaVeyan Satanism at all. LaVeyan Satanism is more about things like Pseudoscience and occultism and the supernatural and Might is Right, etc very different from The Satanic Temple.  And Laveyan Satanism (Church of Satan) is not active, they dont do anything

LaVeyan Satanism has nothing to do with psuedoscience. Occultism? Meh... depends on how you look at it. LaVey was certainly interested in various occultist groups and drew different ideas and imagery from those groups but I would not describe LaVey or the Church of Satan as occultists in any way shape or form. A vast majority of LaVeyan Satanists would and do identify as atheists.

Also, there is no onus on the CoS to be "active." It's not a political group. There is no "group agenda" for the CoS.

But Laveyns believe ritual magic can be used to actually curse or heal people and make girls come to them for sex. they brag more about results from magic than christians even do from prayer.  They even promote Rupert Sheldrake who is very much into pseudoscience. And even though Laveyan satanism does not preach other things like spirit guides or belief in ghosts and reincarnation, demons and a spirit world many Laveyans do believe in those things

[Belacqua]

A vast majority of LaVeyan Satanists would and do identify as atheists.

This is something new, I think.

Satan is a Jewish and a Christian character. In your view, why and how do atheists identify with a character from religion? What is the benefit of calling themselves Satanists over, for example, members of the Mickey Mouse Club, or Bronies?

[EgoDeath]

This is something new, I think.

No, it's not new at all, actually. You just seem to be particularly slow.

Satan is a Jewish and a Christian character. In your view, why and how do atheists identify with a character from religion? What is the benefit of calling themselves Satanists over, for example, members of the Mickey Mouse Club, or Bronies?

Actually, in the original Hebrew, "satan" simply means an adversary. There's some debate among theologians as to whether or not "satan" is used to describe Lucifer, the fallen angel, or simply an evil entity. But that's actually beside the point, because in common usage, Satan means Lucifer. And while Lucifer IS an Abrahamic character, the idea of a devil or evil god is not at all a Christian or Judaic invention. So what's your point?

If your question is simply asking what it means for a Satanist to be a Satanist, I suggest you visit the Church of Satan website.

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But Laveyns believe ritual magic can be used to actually curse or heal people and make girls come to them for sex. they brag more about results from magic than christians even do from prayer.  They even promote Rupert Sheldrake who is very much into pseudoscience. And even though Laveyan satanism does not preach other things like spirit guides or belief in ghosts and reincarnation, demons and a spirit world many Laveyans do believe in those things

This is simply not true. Satanic rituals are used as a therapeutic tool and nothing more. I've also never of of "Rupert Sheldrake." Can you cite a time when he was mentioned in Satanic literature?

[prhill]

This is something new, I think.

No, it's not new at all, actually. You just seem to be particularly slow.

Satan is a Jewish and a Christian character. In your view, why and how do atheists identify with a character from religion? What is the benefit of calling themselves Satanists over, for example, members of the Mickey Mouse Club, or Bronies?

Actually, in the original Hebrew, "satan" simply means an adversary. There's some debate among theologians as to whether or not "satan" is used to describe Lucifer, the fallen angel, or simply an evil entity. But that's actually beside the point, because in common usage, Satan means Lucifer. And while Lucifer IS an Abrahamic character, the idea of a devil or evil god is not at all a Christian or Judaic invention. So what's your point?

If your question is simply asking what it means for a Satanist to be a Satanist, I suggest you visit the Church of Satan website.

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But Laveyns believe ritual magic can be used to actually curse or heal people and make girls come to them for sex. they brag more about results from magic than christians even do from prayer.  They even promote Rupert Sheldrake who is very much into pseudoscience. And even though Laveyan satanism does not preach other things like spirit guides or belief in ghosts and reincarnation, demons and a spirit world many Laveyans do believe in those things

This is simply not true. Satanic rituals are used as a therapeutic tool and nothing more. I've also never of of "Rupert Sheldrake." Can you cite a time when he was mentioned in Satanic literature?

It is true they talk about results from rituals all the time. Sheldrake has been promoted by the church of satan in interviews and on their website and  in books like "The Satanic Scriptures" and on the COS forum

[EgoDeath]

It is true they talk about results from rituals all the time. Sheldrake has been promoted by the church of satan in interviews and on their website and  in books like "The Satanic Scriptures" and on the COS forum

It's stated clearly that rituals are used as therapeutic expression of emotions and nothing more. Not sure what you're talking about. I've never heard of Rupert Sheldrake and don't remember him being mentioned in any interviews or at all in The Satanic Scriptures. Also, there is no CoS forum. That is not something that exists. Please cite specific interviews or pages where Sheldrake is mentioned and I'd be happy to address it.

edit: There is also nothing on the CoS website about Rupert Sheldrake or anyone even close to that name. Starting to suspect you're just rambling nonsensical shit at this point.

second edit: Okay, so I found ONE mention of Rupert Sheldrake on the CoS website.

Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist, has spent many years exploring the “extended mind” and has solid statistical evidence that there indeed does exist a mechanism in nature that could be used for such ends. His many books are fascinating and worth investigating.

We emphasize that the philosophy of the Church of Satan does not require that our members believe that ritual is more than an emotional experience, nor is there a mandate even to ritualize at all. We simply offer it as a tool for experimentation. Some folks have found results that they feel are beyond coincidence or statistical parameters. Others simply enjoy the release of emotions otherwise hindering their pursuit of personal happiness.

There is no judgment placed on members of the Church of Satan regarding their personal understanding of how ritual functions. One is not more or less of a Satanist based upon his or her evaluation of Greater Magic. See the essay, “On the Role of Ritual in the Life of a Satanist” by our High Priestess, Magistra Peggy Nadramia, for more information.

However, notice the bit where it says

We emphasize that the philosophy of the Church of Satan does not require that our members believe that ritual is more than an emotional experience, nor is there a mandate even to ritualize at all. We simply offer it as a tool for experimentation. Some folks have found results that they feel are beyond coincidence or statistical parameters. Others simply enjoy the release of emotions otherwise hindering their pursuit of personal happiness.

The fact that some CoS members believe in some psuedoscientific bullshit espoused by some idiot who wrote a couple books means nothing about the organization as a whole. I've never heard of this dude and after a 5 minute google search I can't say I'm interested in hearing anything he has to say. I don't remember him ever being mentioned in The Satanic Scriptures. But to be honest I haven't read the book in years and can't say I call myself a Satanist. Even still, Satanism is an atheistic philosophy that embraces science and scientific evidence. That SOME misguided idiots who call themselves Satanists believe in some woo and magic doesn't really give you credence to say the entire organization supports psuedoscience and occultism. That's a bit disingenuous, to say the least.

[CDF47]

Does anyone not see the problem here?  There is a God and there is a Satan.  It is on us to choose a side.

[prhill]

It is true they talk about results from rituals all the time. Sheldrake has been promoted by the church of satan in interviews and on their website and  in books like "The Satanic Scriptures" and on the COS forum

It's stated clearly that rituals are used as therapeutic expression of emotions and nothing more. Not sure what you're talking about. I've never heard of Rupert Sheldrake and don't remember him being mentioned in any interviews or at all in The Satanic Scriptures. Also, there is no CoS forum. That is not something that exists. Please cite specific interviews or pages where Sheldrake is mentioned and I'd be happy to address it.

edit: There is also nothing on the CoS website about Rupert Sheldrake or anyone even close to that name. Starting to suspect you're just rambling nonsensical shit at this point.

Then you do not have the facts. He is mentioned on their website. He is mentioned in the Satanic Scriptures book, he was mentioned on the cos forum a lot and in interviews of Gilmore he is mentioned and the fact you never heard of Sheldrake is impossible so I do not believe you.  And they do brag about results from magic. Yjey bragged after the famous high mass they did in 2006 how the curses worked right away, a mom said her sick child was doing better and that it timed up with the compassion ritual that night and a man who was part of the lust ritual said females threw themselves at him after that.

Then you have people like David Harris claiming he cursed a man and it killed the mans dad instead!

[EgoDeath]

Then you do not have the facts. He is mentioned on their website. He is mentioned in the Satanic Scriptures book, he was mentioned on the cos forum a lot and in interviews of Gilmore he is mentioned and the fact you never heard of Sheldrake is impossible so I do not believe you.  And they do brag about results from magic. Yjey bragged after the famous high mass they did in 2006 how the curses worked right away, a mom said her sick child was doing better and that it timed up with the compassion ritual that night and a man who was part of the lust ritual said females threw themselves at him after that.

Then you have people like David Harris claiming he cursed a man and it killed the mans dad instead!

I edited my post. He's mentioned ONE time on the website. You're talking about this guy as if he's a spokesperson for the CoS. Far from it. Please cite specifically where Sheldrake is mentioned in the Satanic Scriptures. Please cite specific sources for all of these claims you're making because I've never heard of any of this.

[prhill]

Then you do not have the facts. He is mentioned on their website. He is mentioned in the Satanic Scriptures book, he was mentioned on the cos forum a lot and in interviews of Gilmore he is mentioned and the fact you never heard of Sheldrake is impossible so I do not believe you.  And they do brag about results from magic. Yjey bragged after the famous high mass they did in 2006 how the curses worked right away, a mom said her sick child was doing better and that it timed up with the compassion ritual that night and a man who was part of the lust ritual said females threw themselves at him after that.

Then you have people like David Harris claiming he cursed a man and it killed the mans dad instead!

I edited my post. He's mentioned ONE time on the website. You're talking about this guy as if he's a spokesperson for the CoS. Far from it. Please cite specifically where Sheldrake is mentioned in the Satanic Scriptures. Please cite specific sources for all of these claims you're making because I've never heard of any of this.
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Page 222 of the book if I recall right he talks about Sheldrake again just as he does in interviews. And Sheldrake is into pseudoscience so that proves my point. I think he even became a born again christian. As far as the Laveyans bragging about ritual magic results from the 2006 event it was in Not Like  Most magazine the issue that focused on that event. And even in more recent years the podcast 9sense did a yearly episode on Laveyan ritual magic including a two hour episode where Laveyans wrote in or called in about results they got from lust rituals curses and compassion rituals.

Want me to give you the sources for Laveyans who believe in spirits and demons and reincarnation and ghosts too because I will dig it all out if I have too?

[Amarok]

Does anyone not see the problem here?  There is a God and there is a Satan.  It is on us to choose a side.

Nope because these aren't theological Satanists and the actual ones think your bible is a lie . Thus you are wrong .

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A vast majority of LaVeyan Satanists would and do identify as atheists.

This is something new, I think.

Satan is a Jewish and a Christian character. In your view, why and how do atheists identify with a character from religion? What is the benefit of calling themselves Satanists over, for example, members of the Mickey Mouse Club, or Bronies?

Actually Satan isn't the Hebrew devil and they view Satan as more of an idealist symbol  then a actual being .