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There are no "Religions of peace".....
#11
RE: There are no "Religions of peace".....
Nuke the Amish I always say!

ROFLOL
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#12
RE: There are no "Religions of peace".....
(March 17, 2019 at 3:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:You cannot name one single religion in the world that has never had conflict between sub sects and or other religions.

Jainism.

Church of the Brethren. 

Mennonites.

Quakers.

Raelism.

Now, shut up.

Boru
But, but...how can you argue with facts when there are broad generalizations and stereotypes to get all neurotic and worked up about?

Big old meanie...

Hmph ...make you listen to ABBA.

grumble, grumble

Popcorn

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(March 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm)no one Wrote: Humans are just fucking awful creatures, no matter what order they align themselves with.

Well, not all of us, just most of us.

My perception is that human beings are innately self serving (the philosophical a position is called  "egoism")

The term 'religious war" is an oxymoron .Wars are never started on moral or religious grounds, although both sides usually claim both motives.

Wars are only ever started  for one or both of two reasons; to take something the other chap has, or to stop the other chap from taking something I have.

Wars are started by cynical men who  convince their gormless young me to go  to another country and kill their gormless young men.

It's pretty easy to motivate young men to kill  each other. They started  doing it long before there were such things as organised religions. Claiming to fight on moral or religious grounds are excuses, not reasons

Human beings have wars because we like war. A 'just reason' is always easy to find. If we didn't love war, there wouldn't be any, or at least far fewer--when in human history has there ever been a time without a war somewhere?

Please don't misunderstand my position; I consider organised religion the greatest confidence trick ever perpetrated on the human race. That without exception, religion always reflects the society which invents it. Therefore, to blame religion for war or to say religions exist for war, is I think a bit simplistic. In reality, all religions are reactive, not proactive.
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(March 17, 2019 at 4:39 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Nuke the Amish I always say!

ROFLOL

I knew someone would bring them up at some point.

In all seriousness, we in the west perceive minorities as never being capable of oppression.

First off, "Amish" is STILL a sub sect of Christianity, and the reason the west does no perceive them as a threat is precisely because they are a minority. Christianity in it's total history has not had 100% peaceful sub sects. So again, Christianity has never had a 100% peaceful history.

And again, this assumes falsely that peaceful now means peacefully forever.

The Amish are not currently perceived as a threat because they are not currently a majority.  If they were Catholic or Protestant as a majority instead, I am pretty sure they'd have a different outlook on non Amish. Just like Buddhists in America are seen as placid, but Myanmar's Buddhists have murdered Muslims.

Just like Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have been at war, just like Sunni's and Shiites have been at war. The Amish are not a majority currently, but they still are a sub sect of Christianity. 

Just like many do not want to face  that Rasta, is simply a splinter sect of Jewish/Catholic African spin off.

The point is it is absurd to point to current time, and assume that nothing ever changes. I will continue to say and stand by my stance, that any group if given enough power can become abusive. Not because of a label, but because humans in a majority can loose sight that at one time they were not the majority.

FYI the Amish have a very insidious practice of self denial of of children, and deep indoctrination into gender roles. They claim to "let their teens or young adults" go out to "experience" the rest of the world. The problem with this "tactic" is that they have been so deeply indoctrinated by the time they do they become dependent on the old ways, and when they get exposed to the outside world, they don't know how to cope and end up going back to their old ways. 

And they can be and are as hypocritical as any other religion. They claim to shun modern technology, but if you go to Amish counties today, the younger ones use cell phones and make religious excuses as to why it is not the same.

And again, this isn't about just "Amish" my point is about human behavior. 

Minorities in history have a tendency to be placid and more empathetic in history, but when times change and powers shift over time, that lion cub can be cute and cuddly while it is young, but if it gets big enough, it can grow to afford to not care about the other populations surrounding it that are not as great in numbers.

So yea, the Amish are cute, RIGHT NOW, but they are still a splinter sect of Christianity and Christianity has not always been good to non Christians.

7 billion Amish would look the same as 7 billion atheists. Would look like 7 billion Christians and 7 billion Jews and 7 billion Hindus and 7 billion Muslims. A population still divided over competing over resources and greedy power mongers in respective ranks of each, convincing humanity we are a separate species when we are not.

The Amish really are not that far from the LDS.. Just like far too many sects of Islam worship gender roles.

https://www.amazon.com/Tears-Silenced-Am...1505679443

Listen guys, in the entirety of our species history, the usage of "minority" and "majority" are always based on geographics and time in history.

There are in every religion bar none, individuals and sub sects that define themselves by roles. And more conservative that individual, family or sect are, the more females and outsiders are seen as second class, and guests at best.
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#15
RE: There are no "Religions of peace".....
Not all Buddhists are peaceful, but I would say that it's a particularly peaceful religion.
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(March 17, 2019 at 9:06 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Not all Buddhists are peaceful, but I would say that it's a particularly peaceful religion.

Seems that far to many are not getting it.

There is a HUGE difference between "seemingly peaceful" now, and peaceful in the past and peaceful forever. There is also geography and majority vs minority going on in human history, and since nothing ever stays the same, my point is it still amounts to human behavior not labels.

There is no corner of the globe that has been violence free, ever. Study enough of human history, and that becomes obvious. I cant say this enough, there is not one nation that does not have hospitals and prisons.

Give any sect of any population enough power, they still have the potential to become what they claim to have fought to defeat.
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#17
RE: There are no "Religions of peace".....
Who agrees that even if there was only ONE religion in the world, people would still kill each other.
They'll just change the narrative slightly. Most people will still interpret anything to say anything which suits them.
That's what apes do.

The real solution to minimize death and violence is to let God Kim Jong rule over all! See! No gangs in Nth Korea. No trouble!
Everybody love Nth Korea long time! Praise Kim Jong! Worship
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#18
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I wouldn't mind a rastafarian uprising where I get stoned.
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity. 

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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(March 17, 2019 at 9:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(March 17, 2019 at 9:06 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Not all Buddhists are peaceful, but I would say that it's a particularly peaceful religion.

Seems that far to many are not getting it.

There is a HUGE difference between "seemingly peaceful" now, and peaceful in the past and peaceful forever. There is also geography and majority vs minority going on in human history, and since nothing ever stays the same, my point is it still amounts to human behavior not labels.

There is no corner of the globe that has been violence free, ever. Study enough of human history, and that becomes obvious. I cant say this enough, there is not one nation that does not have hospitals and prisons.

Give any sect of any population enough power, they still have the potential to become what they claim to have fought to defeat.

You predicting the Amish will come after us with furniture and hand churned butter?

You are a fucking idiot.  Every thought vomit isn't deserving of yet another spaz ass thread.

Popcorn

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RE: There are no "Religions of peace".....
(March 17, 2019 at 10:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(March 17, 2019 at 9:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Seems that far to many are not getting it.

There is a HUGE difference between "seemingly peaceful" now, and peaceful in the past and peaceful forever. There is also geography and majority vs minority going on in human history, and since nothing ever stays the same, my point is it still amounts to human behavior not labels.

There is no corner of the globe that has been violence free, ever. Study enough of human history, and that becomes obvious. I cant say this enough, there is not one nation that does not have hospitals and prisons.

Give any sect of any population enough power, they still have the potential to become what they claim to have fought to defeat.

You predicting the Amish will come after us with furniture and hand churned butter?

You are a fucking idiot.  Every thought vomit isn't deserving of yet another spaz ass thread.

They could drop a barn on him.
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity. 

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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