[split] PSA: Hate Speech (discussion of video etc)

[Athene]

What makes you so sure they'd "get a pass" and not be prosecuted if the dude decided to press charges?
There's video evidence.

If it had been a black guy getting beat up after calling some white guys names, it would just be so horribly racist. It would have been a big national news story. So yeah, these guys in the video are getting a free pass. People are only outraged when white guys beat up black guys because that's a big racist meme. The black guys beating up the white guy don't register on our silly meme oriented minds, so they can post several guys beating up one guy on the internet and no one thinks that there is anything wrong with that because it didn't trigger our thilly meme oriented worldview.

You're just guessing, aren't you? 

If someone answers a racial slur with physical assault, they are committing an unlawful and excessive act of retaliation....in response to a racist act.
Highly unacceptable and inappropriate, and decidedly worse than the initial act in most cases.

But the retaliatory act isn't racist in and of itself. It's a reaction.
A gross overreaction, to be precise. One that does indeed warrant charges being pressed in the minds of most reasonable people, should the person who was assaulted choose to pursue them.

If the races of the parties in the video were reversed I would arrive at the very same conclusion.

[LadyForCamus]

Someone that Lady doesn't like is engaging others in discussions, so she is trolling them. This place is really fucked up.

Must be my fragile, feminine ego.

[Yonadav]

If it had been a black guy getting beat up after calling some white guys names, it would just be so horribly racist. It would have been a big national news story. So yeah, these guys in the video are getting a free pass. People are only outraged when white guys beat up black guys because that's a big racist meme. The black guys beating up the white guy don't register on our silly meme oriented minds, so they can post several guys beating up one guy on the internet and no one thinks that there is anything wrong with that because it didn't trigger our thilly meme oriented worldview.

You're just guessing, aren't you? 

If someone answers a racial slur with physical assault, they are committing an unlawful and excessive act of retaliation....in response to a racist act.
Highly unacceptable and inappropriate, and decidedly worse than the initial act in most cases.

But the retaliatory act isn't racist in and of itself. It's a reaction.
A gross overreaction, to be precise. One that does indeed warrant charges being pressed in the minds of most reasonable people, should the person who was assaulted choose to pursue them.

If the races of the parties in the video were reversed I would arrive at the very same conclusion.

No, I don't think that I'm just guessing. I appreciate the conclusion that you personally would draw if the races of the parties in the dispute were reversed. But I think that the media would make a big story out of it, sort of like what they did with Nick Sandman.

[Athene]

You're just guessing, aren't you? 

If someone answers a racial slur with physical assault, they are committing an unlawful and excessive act of retaliation....in response to a racist act.
Highly unacceptable and inappropriate, and decidedly worse than the initial act in most cases.

But the retaliatory act isn't racist in and of itself. It's a reaction.
A gross overreaction, to be precise. One that does indeed warrant charges being pressed in the minds of most reasonable people, should the person who was assaulted choose to pursue them.

If the races of the parties in the video were reversed I would arrive at the very same conclusion.

No, I don't think that I'm just guessing. I appreciate the conclusion that you personally would draw if the races of the parties in the dispute were reversed. But I think that the media would make a big story out of it, sort of like what they did with Nick Sandman.

So, you think an inaccurately covered stare-off between Nick Sandman and a Native American tribal leader is evidence that the courts give a pass to folks who are recorded issuing beat-downs solely on account of being called racial slur...IF they're one of "the Blacks". They are given favor in the criminal justice system.

And none of this is guessing on your part, nor tailored to fit your narrative?

Okay.

[Yonadav]

No, I don't think that I'm just guessing. I appreciate the conclusion that you personally would draw if the races of the parties in the dispute were reversed. But I think that the media would make a big story out of it, sort of like what they did with Nick Sandman.

So, you think an inaccurately covered stare-off between Nick Sandman and a Native American tribal leader is evidence that the courts give a pass to folks who are recorded issuing beat-downs solely on account of being called racial slur...IF they're one of "the Blacks". They are given favor in the criminal justice system.

And none of this is guessing on your part, that's tailored to fit your narrative?

Okay.

The criminal justice system? I was talking about the media and public perception, Thena. I think that was pretty clear. When it comes to the criminal justice system, I tend to get pretty pissed off about how unfair it obviously is with black people.

[Losty]

I'd get arrested if I assaulted someone for calling me names. When it's OK for half a dozen guys to beat up one guy for calling them a name that hurts their feelings, I call that privilege. I think that privilege should be checked. That was a real 'brave' bunch of guys that beat up that one guy. I think that they were cowards whose numbers gave them courage.
 
I don't like that white guy's racism. But I think that it is also racism when black people get a free pass to assault people for calling them names, when none of the rest of us can assault anyone for calling us names. If it had been a black guy getting beat up after calling some white guys names, it would just be so horribly racist.

I am opposed to the one way street. I think that black racism is just as bad as white racism. We all need to knock it off.

I don’t think it was clear that you weren’t talking about the criminal justice system.

But if you say you weren’t...then I wouldn’t agree that there’s any privilege involved, but i would agree that media is more likely to make a huge deal out of abunch of white guys beating up a black guy and completely ignore a story of black guys beating up a white guy.
This has nothing to do with privilege. It’s all about ratings.

[Athene]

So, you think an inaccurately covered stare-off between Nick Sandman and a Native American tribal leader is evidence that the courts give a pass to folks who are recorded issuing beat-downs solely on account of being called racial slur...IF they're one of "the Blacks". They are given favor in the criminal justice system.

And none of this is guessing on your part, that's tailored to fit your narrative?

Okay.

The criminal justice system? I was talking about the media and public perception, Thena. I think that was pretty clear. When it comes to the criminal justice system, I tend to get pretty pissed off about how unfair it obviously is with black people.

Uh-huh...I see.

So, where's this preponderance of horrendously biased media coverage demanding justice for victims of racially-charged bar room brawls?
I must be missing it.

[Huggy Bear]

You gonna whine about reverse racism because you can't say the n-word? Really? Somehow I don't think you'd carry that same energy out in the real world, which makes you a coward. Btw black people don't get offended by the n-word, most black people WISH someone like you would feel comfortable enough to say it.

I'd get arrested if I assaulted someone for calling me names. When it's OK for half a dozen guys to beat up one guy for calling them a name that hurts their feelings, I call that privilege. I think that privilege should be checked. That was a real 'brave' bunch of guys that beat up that one guy. I think that they were cowards whose numbers gave them courage.
 
I don't like that white guy's racism. But I think that it is also racism when black people get a free pass to assault people for calling them names, when none of the rest of us can assault anyone for calling us names. If it had been a black guy getting beat up after calling some white guys names, it would just be so horribly racist.

I am opposed to the one way street. I think that black racism is just as bad as white racism. We all need to knock it off.

What video were you watching because I didn't see that at all. I saw a group clearly in fear of their lives from a dangerous white supremacist, probably going to get a firearm and perpetrate another mass shooting, so they proceeded to preemptively neutralize the threat with distractionary strikes to the head, neck, chest and midsection.

Why White Supremacist Attacks Are on the Rise, Even in Surprising Places

[Yonadav]

I'd get arrested if I assaulted someone for calling me names. When it's OK for half a dozen guys to beat up one guy for calling them a name that hurts their feelings, I call that privilege. I think that privilege should be checked. That was a real 'brave' bunch of guys that beat up that one guy. I think that they were cowards whose numbers gave them courage.
 
I don't like that white guy's racism. But I think that it is also racism when black people get a free pass to assault people for calling them names, when none of the rest of us can assault anyone for calling us names. If it had been a black guy getting beat up after calling some white guys names, it would just be so horribly racist.

I am opposed to the one way street. I think that black racism is just as bad as white racism. We all need to knock it off.

What video were you watching because I didn't see that at all. I saw a group clearly in fear of their lives from a dangerous white supremacist, probably going to get a firearm and perpetrate another mass shooting, so they neutralized the threat with distractionary strikes to the head, neck, chest and midsection.

Why White Supremacist Attacks Are on the Rise, Even in Surprising Places

I don't know exactly what transpired before the confrontation. The white guy is angry and says some stuff about one of them having apparently almost run him over with their car. As a person who walks or bicycles everywhere, I have had that sort of experience in which a motorist almost kills me, then parks nearby, and I follow them into the establishment and confront them about their careless driving that nearly cost me my life. Generally, all that I'm looking for is an apology, but the careless driver who almost killed me frequently is unapologetic. It gets nasty sometimes.

He called them a hurtful name. And yes, it was racist. But that didn't give them the right to assault him. It certainly didn't give them the right to assault him in numbers. It was pretty cowardly of them to attack one old guy with such numbers. 

I'm sorry that you don't like it, but name calling doesn't give anyone the right to assault people. Especially when it is several relatively young and strong men beating up some old guy. That's real brave, man!

I've had people call me a [sexual orientation slur redacted]. I've had people tell me that they fucked my mother last night. Angry people have said the most horrible things that they could think of to me. None of that has ever given me the right to assault anyone. The only time that I have ever assaulted anyone in an angry confrontation was when they initiated the assault-- they touched me threateningly, or spit on me, or did some other thing that was unambiguously an assault. Calling me names just doesn't give me the right to attack or counter attack. And if I lead a group of young strong guys in a group assault on one old man, I definitely belong in jail.

Sorry, dude. Your little band of 'heroes' are just a group of young guys who beat up an old man.

[Huggy Bear]

What video were you watching because I didn't see that at all. I saw a group clearly in fear of their lives from a dangerous white supremacist, probably going to get a firearm and perpetrate another mass shooting, so they neutralized the threat with distractionary strikes to the head, neck, chest and midsection.

Why White Supremacist Attacks Are on the Rise, Even in Surprising Places

I don't know exactly what transpired before the confrontation. The white guy is angry and says some stuff about one of them having apparently almost run him over with their car. As a person who walks or bicycles everywhere, I have had that sort of experience in which a motorist almost kills me, then parks nearby, and I follow them into the establishment and confront them about their careless driving that nearly cost me my life. Generally, all that I'm looking for is an apology, but the careless driver who almost killed me frequently is unapologetic. It gets nasty sometimes.

He called them a hurtful name. And yes, it was racist. But that didn't give them the right to assault him. It certainly didn't give them the right to assault him in numbers. It was pretty cowardly of them to attack one old guy with such numbers. 

I'm sorry that you don't like it, but name calling doesn't give anyone the right to assault people. Especially when it is several relatively young and strong men beating up some old guy. That's real brave, man!

I've had people call me a [sexual orientation slur redacted]. I've had people tell me that they fucked my mother last night. Angry people have said the most horrible things that they could think of to me. None of that has ever given me the right to assault anyone. The only time that I have ever assaulted anyone in an angry confrontation was when they initiated the assault-- they touched me threateningly, or spit on me, or did some other thing that was unambiguously an assault. Calling me names just doesn't give me the right to attack or counter attack. And if I lead a group of young strong guys in a group assault on one old man, I definitely belong in jail.

Sorry, dude. Your little band of 'heroes' are just a group of young guys who beat up an old man.

If anyone gets assaulted for calling someone the n-word, that's on them. There's a guaranteed way to avoid an assault for yelling the n-word, any guess as to what it is?