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[Brian37]

Of course it is not the same sport, but the mentality in any sport is the same, competition.


I do not see any difference in any sport.  I have long since hated grunting in tennis, but it is allowed now.


In any sport, I will always advocate for safety, but lets face it, be it auto racing, tennis, soccer, NFL or whatever, the losing individual or team will always do what they have to win.

That's why there are rules and more and more rules all the time to attempt to prevent injuries and to try to curtail cheating.

How can you say both...'of course it is not the same sport...' and 'I do not see any difference in any sport..."?  

Everything isn't black or white in the real world Brian even though it is in your world.

If it is not cheating to block someone when you are at the front of the pack, why should it be called cheating if you are blocking someone trying to lap you?

To me this is no different than a cornerback in the NFL stuck to the receiver like glue without touching them, and manages to block the pass. 

It only  becomes cheating to me when you deliberately do something severely unsafe that can cause an accident, in the same way a cornerback cant hit the receiver before the ball reaches him and the cornerback isn't looking at the ball when he hits the receiver.

Again, in the last laps of the race, the front runners were neck and neck, and all inches away from each other, trying to pass each other and also trying to block each other. Professional auto racing has always had drivers inches away from each other.  If there is no contact between cars then I see no reason to call it cheating no matter if you are in the front of the pack or back of the pack.

And of course it isn't black and white. It still depends, just like a replay in the NFL, sometimes things happen so fast only a slo mo replay can tell you if something was intentional or unintentional. I am just saying blocking doesn't mean contact in racing, it just means staying in front of someone so they cant pass you.

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I think automobile racing is one of those sports that could be greatly improved with a few simple changes:

-Make the racetracks square instead of oval.

-Require each driver to take three shots of whiskey 30 minutes before the race begins (any driver who tests negative for blood alcohol at the end of the race is to be disqualified).

-Pop-up obstacles on the track.

Boru

^^^^^LOL we already have that, it's called public roads.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

That's why there are rules and more and more rules all the time to attempt to prevent injuries and to try to curtail cheating.

How can you say both...'of course it is not the same sport...' and 'I do not see any difference in any sport..."?  

Everything isn't black or white in the real world Brian even though it is in your world.

If it is not cheating to block someone when you are at the front of the pack, why should it be called cheating if you are blocking someone trying to lap you?

To me this is no different than a cornerback in the NFL stuck to the receiver like glue without touching them, and manages to block the pass. 

It only  becomes cheating to me when you deliberately do something severely unsafe that can cause an accident, in the same way a cornerback cant hit the receiver before the ball reaches him and the cornerback isn't looking at the ball when he hits the receiver.

Again, in the last laps of the race, the front runners were neck and neck, and all inches away from each other, trying to pass each other and also trying to block each other. Professional auto racing has always had drivers inches away from each other.  If there is no contact between cars then I see no reason to call it cheating no matter if you are in the front of the pack or back of the pack.

And of course it isn't black and white. It still depends, just like a replay in the NFL, sometimes things happen so fast only a slo mo replay can tell you if something was intentional or unintentional. I am just saying blocking doesn't mean contact in racing, it just means staying in front of someone so they cant pass you.

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I think automobile racing is one of those sports that could be greatly improved with a few simple changes:

-Make the racetracks square instead of oval.

-Require each driver to take three shots of whiskey 30 minutes before the race begins (any driver who tests negative for blood alcohol at the end of the race is to be disqualified).

-Pop-up obstacles on the track.

Boru

^^^^^LOL we already have that, it's called public roads.

You have public roads on racetracks?  Cool.

Boru

[Brian37]

You joke, but I once went to a drag strip where you can pay to race your car solo or against someone, and saw a Ford Festiva and a GEO race each other. It took so long all the teens attending graduated college and got their PHDs.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You joke, but I once went to a drag strip where you can pay to race your car solo or against someone, and saw a Ford Festiva and a GEO race each other. It took so long all the teens attending graduated college and got their PHDs.

I wasn't joking.  Your last reply can be taken to mean that 1) the pop up obstacles on race tracks are public roads, or 2) you have pop up obstacles on public roads.  Which is it?

Boru

[Brian37]

You joke, but I once went to a drag strip where you can pay to race your car solo or against someone, and saw a Ford Festiva and a GEO race each other. It took so long all the teens attending graduated college and got their PHDs.

I wasn't joking.  Your last reply can be taken to mean that 1) the pop up obstacles on race tracks are public roads, or 2) you have pop up obstacles on public roads.  Which is it?

Boru

Huh? 

People on public roads do drink and drive stupidly. Idiots with sports cars do stupidly treat public roads like their personal raceway. And animals and pedestrians can and do pop out into traffic. 

I thought your joke about rule changes was funny and simply saying you don't need a private raceway to make driving more dangerous, public roads are far more dangerous. 

I'd also like to see paintball added to golf, but that is highly unlikely to happen any time soon. But your  rule change suggestions would make professional racing far more interesting.

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What is professional racing going to do when self driving cars are perfected?

[arewethereyet]

That's why there are rules and more and more rules all the time to attempt to prevent injuries and to try to curtail cheating.

How can you say both...'of course it is not the same sport...' and 'I do not see any difference in any sport..."?  

Everything isn't black or white in the real world Brian even though it is in your world.

If it is not cheating to block someone when you are at the front of the pack, why should it be called cheating if you are blocking someone trying to lap you?

To me this is no different than a cornerback in the NFL stuck to the receiver like glue without touching them, and manages to block the pass. 

It only  becomes cheating to me when you deliberately do something severely unsafe that can cause an accident, in the same way a cornerback cant hit the receiver before the ball reaches him and the cornerback isn't looking at the ball when he hits the receiver.

Again, in the last laps of the race, the front runners were neck and neck, and all inches away from each other, trying to pass each other and also trying to block each other. Professional auto racing has always had drivers inches away from each other.  If there is no contact between cars then I see no reason to call it cheating no matter if you are in the front of the pack or back of the pack.

And of course it isn't black and white. It still depends, just like a replay in the NFL, sometimes things happen so fast only a slo mo replay can tell you if something was intentional or unintentional. I am just saying blocking doesn't mean contact in racing, it just means staying in front of someone so they cant pass you.

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I think automobile racing is one of those sports that could be greatly improved with a few simple changes:

-Make the racetracks square instead of oval.

-Require each driver to take three shots of whiskey 30 minutes before the race begins (any driver who tests negative for blood alcohol at the end of the race is to be disqualified).

-Pop-up obstacles on the track.

Boru

^^^^^LOL we already have that, it's called public roads.

Read this slowly Brian.

When the race starts and people are in the front of the pack, they are jockeying for track position and have a legitimate chance of winning the race if they can take the lead and keep it.  That's why they block those who are trying to get around them.

If you have been lapped then you don't have a chance of winning a race and blocking someone who is on the lead lap is an asshole move that is likely to cause a wreck and pileup involving racers who actually have a chance to win or place.  Blocking a lead car at that point isn't going to gain the driver doing the blocking any advantage toward the goal of winning.  

And stop with the 'but football rules' crap.  Football rules have nothing to do with racing.  Nothing, nada, nil.

[Brian37]

If it is not cheating to block someone when you are at the front of the pack, why should it be called cheating if you are blocking someone trying to lap you?

To me this is no different than a cornerback in the NFL stuck to the receiver like glue without touching them, and manages to block the pass. 

It only  becomes cheating to me when you deliberately do something severely unsafe that can cause an accident, in the same way a cornerback cant hit the receiver before the ball reaches him and the cornerback isn't looking at the ball when he hits the receiver.

Again, in the last laps of the race, the front runners were neck and neck, and all inches away from each other, trying to pass each other and also trying to block each other. Professional auto racing has always had drivers inches away from each other.  If there is no contact between cars then I see no reason to call it cheating no matter if you are in the front of the pack or back of the pack.

And of course it isn't black and white. It still depends, just like a replay in the NFL, sometimes things happen so fast only a slo mo replay can tell you if something was intentional or unintentional. I am just saying blocking doesn't mean contact in racing, it just means staying in front of someone so they cant pass you.

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^^^^^LOL we already have that, it's called public roads.

Read this slowly Brian.

When the race starts and people are in the front of the pack, they are jockeying for track position and have a legitimate chance of winning the race if they can take the lead and keep it.  That's why they block those who are trying to get around them.

If you have been lapped then you don't have a chance of winning a race and blocking someone who is on the lead lap is an asshole move that is likely to cause a wreck and pileup involving racers who actually have a chance to win or place.  Blocking a lead car at that point isn't going to gain the driver doing the blocking any advantage toward the goal of winning.  

And stop with the 'but football rules' crap.  Football rules have nothing to do with racing.  Nothing, nada, nil.

Again, so what?

I have watched plenty of NFL games where the losing team was so far behind you'd think they started losing in the last century. But that coach and the players despite knowing they are going to lose, play the game till the clock runs out. 

In sports in general, no matter the sport, you play every minute win or lose. I am quite sure the attempts of lapped drivers in the back of the pack to prevent someone passes them is the same strategy as those in the front of the pack trying to prevent a second place or third place driver from passing them. 

My problem isn't rules about safety. My problem are sore winners.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And stop with the 'but football rules' crap.  Football rules have nothing to do with racing.  Nothing, nada, nil.

Very valid point.  Auto racing is a not a contact sport (I'd be more likely to watch it if it was).

Boru

[Brian37]

Very valid point.  Auto racing is a not a contact sport (I'd be more likely to watch it if it was).

Boru

Not the point. 

Sports is competition. THAT is my point. 

I see no difference between a close race/game/match and a blowout. Even with a wide gap, the leader and the one whom knows they are going to lose IN ANY SPORT, all play till the clock runs out.

If one wants to bring up safety issues, I get that. But again, I don't care if you are car 32 in last place, or if you are losing to the Patriots in the Super Bowl  5 billion to 3. Any pit crew is going to be like any coach, and tell you to do the best you can till it is over.

[arewethereyet]

Very valid point.  Auto racing is a not a contact sport (I'd be more likely to watch it if it was).

Boru

Not the point. 

Sports is competition. THAT is my point. 

I see no difference between a close race/game/match and a blowout. Even with a wide gap, the leader and the one whom knows they are going to lose IN ANY SPORT, all play till the clock runs out.

If one wants to bring up safety issues, I get that. But again, I don't care if you are car 32 in last place, or if you are losing to the Patriots in the Super Bowl  5 billion to 3. Any pit crew is going to be like any coach, and tell you to do the best you can till it is over.

I bet you are a lot of fun at parties.

Take your meds Brian...