Declawing Cats

[Shell B]

Boofuckinghoo. No one cares about furniture vs. cutting the tips of cats fingers off.

Tell that to the cats who have been abandoned by ignorant owners and/or put down because they didn't know how to deal with the cats behavioral issues.

I'd rather see a cat declawed then thrown on the side of the road or given away by owner after owner because it's a bit unruly. Would I do it? No. But that's why I don't plan on having pets.

I will. Moreover, declawing causes behavioral issues.

If you care about cats, but also are okay with cutting their fingers down to the second knuckle, just donate some money to a rescue or fund neutering.

People being big babies that are unable to train their animals is hardly a reason to conduct painful operations on cats. Do you even know the kind of pain declawing can cause a cat for the rest of their lives? Do you realize it can make walking painful, using a litter box impossible and cause a host of other pain and bone-related issues?

[arewethereyet]

@EgoDeath

I am glad you have decided to not get another cat.

It takes patience and consistent training and is difficult with an older cat who already has bad habits. If you have to maim an animal to share your home than it's probably best not to get that kind of animal.

I am sure people get their animals spayed/neutered only for the reasons you list but the health benefits are there too. Declawing is simply mutilation without the extra benefit of potentially improved health.

[Anomalocaris]

Sorry, even though I don't like declawing I'm not going to take a position. We do a lot worse to many many animals. I'm not going to be that hypocrite.

It's not either or. Every step toward being better as people is surely good, right?

Except in this case “being better” is mainly a cosmetic thing, and it’s value and cost is evaluated very much based on strongly held personal and not universally shared preferences, and not on persuasive argument of what generally acknowledged good it can bring.

[EgoDeath]

I will. Moreover, declawing causes behavioral issues.

If you care about cats, but also are okay with cutting their fingers down to the second knuckle, just donate some money to a rescue or fund neutering.

People being big babies that are unable to train their animals is hardly a reason to conduct painful operations on cats. Do you even know the kind of pain declawing can cause a cat for the rest of their lives? Do you realize it can make walking painful, using a litter box impossible and cause a host of other pain and bone-related issues?

And while you're at it, remind them that, had they been declawed, many of them may still be in warm, loving homes.

There are too many injustices in the world to go throwing money at random charities I know nothing about. I believe if you want to help, grow up and go volunteer at an organization you're well-informed about. Don't just throw money at a problem; that's just lazy. Most people are cowards though and would rather just write a check then give an ounce of their most valuable asset: their time.

But listen, I'm not disagreeing with you here. Most people are too fucking stupid and irresponsible to have an animal of any kind, let alone a child, for example.

In a perfect world, no cats would be declawed. I'm just relaying to you what the REALITY of the situation is. Most people declaw/spay/neuter for their own convenience. People are selfish. I get it. And I'm not one to tell someone they shouldn't worry about their $2000 leather couch. And, to me, is a material possession worth more than the health and well-being of my pet? No. But that's me. As much as you want to dismiss people for being "big babies" (and whatever childish nonsense you try to toss around), some people want to own pets and not have their possessions destroyed. That's up to them. And, the fact is, plenty of cats live long, happy, healthy lives after being declawed.

We don't live in an ideal world, unfortunately.

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@EgoDeath

I am glad you have decided to not get another cat.

It takes patience and consistent training and is difficult with an older cat who already has bad habits.  If you have to maim an animal to share your home than it's probably best not to get that kind of animal.

I am sure people get their animals spayed/neutered only for the reasons you list but the health benefits are there too.  Declawing is simply mutilation without the extra benefit of potentially improved health.

I think you misunderstood me. If I did have another cat, I would not have it declawed. And if I did have issues with it scratching, I would find alternative ways to deal with it over having it declawed. However, in order to avoid the potential headache, I simply choose not to have another one. Besides, no cat will compare to my Sheba. She's a wonderful calico that I love spending time with.

[Shell B]

It's not either or. Every step toward being better as people is surely good, right?

Except in this case “being better” is mainly a cosmetic thing, and it’s value and cost is evaluated very much based on strongly held personal and not universally shared preferences, and not on persuasive argument of what generally acknowledged good it can bring.

You really don’t know anything about declawing, do you? It’s not cosmetic, at all.

[Shell B]

Haha, you think it’s cool for grown ups to be so hung up in their furniture that they mutilate cats, but I’m being childish? Bitch, please. What kind of fucking idiot gets a cat and is too lazy to teach it not to scratch leather? I have a thousand dollar leather couch and three cats.

Neuter and release programs are miles better at making sure there are enough homes for cats, but yeah, let’s just argue that yuppies who want to mutilate them are the way to go.

Someone in this thread actually research what it does to cats and get back to me. You’re not just talking about a permanent nail clipping. It can fuck up your cat for life and very often does. It’s way worse than docking a tail.

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/...e-manicure

[EgoDeath]

Haha, you think it’s cool for grown ups to be so hung up in their furniture that they mutilate cats, but I’m being childish? Bitch, please. What kind of fucking idiot gets a cat and is too lazy to teach it not to scratch leather? I have a thousand dollar leather couch and three cats.

Neuter and release programs are miles better at making sure there are enough homes for cats, but yeah, let’s just argue that yuppies who want to mutilate them are the way to go.

Someone in this thread actually research what it does to cats and get back to me. You’re not just talking about a permanent nail clipping. It can fuck up your cat for life and very often does. It’s way worse than docking a tail.

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/...e-manicure

Who are you arguing with? loll..... How many times do I have to repeat... I never have and would not declaw a cat. If I did choose to have another cat I would choose not to declaw it and would rather find other ways to deal with scratching/clawing/destroying of furniture and goods.

You're so hung up on fighting this fight that you're not even reading what I'm saying. I do not support declawing, but I don't necessarily think it should be illegal either. Chill the fuck out.

edit: It's helpful to directly quote or mention people when having a conversation. For transparency's sake. If having a conversation is, in fact, what you're interested in. If you just want to talk at people like the self-proclaimed keyboard warrior would, proceed as you are.

[Shell B]

Easy, dude. You’re definitely arguing that you think it’s better to allow declawing than to not. You might as well do it yourself because you think it’s okay for other people to do it.

Don’t front like you were all chill and then all of a sudden I was a meanie face. You started slinging arrows well back, so maybe don’t do that if you can’t take a little of the same.

You knew who I was talking to. No clarity was lost, princess.

[EgoDeath]

And where do insults like "princess" get us? Jesus christ it's like talking to a child. Once again, you're clearly not interested in having a conversation here. You can't twist around what I've said, it's right there in black and white.

Not sure how fucking dense or childish you can be, but you're giving me a good demo.

You started with the insults, not me. Grow the hell up. You're living up to your keyboard-warrior moniker.

[Little lunch]

If a cat attacks humans it should be put down like they do with dogs.
If a cat attacks furniture it should be not allowed inside the house.
Plenty of cats live outside.
Pulling the nails out of the cat as a solution to either problem is the sought of answer I'd expect to hear from a mental patient.
I heard that the whole practice started when cats were thrown to dogs before a dog fight to warm them up.
The cats were declawed beforehand to render them defenceless.