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NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
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NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
I was listening to the Bleacher Report in the background on my TV. While I agree it is sad to see any famous person, like an actor, comedian, musician end up broke years after their career fades, including sports stars. Anyone old enough remembers Running Back John Riggins of the 1980 Redskins. He ended up broke at one point living in his friend's garage. So yea, some people do need to learn how to manage money.

So to head off a possible player strike in the future, the owners sent out an e-mail making suggestions on how to save money. 

1. Sell clothing you rarely use.

2. Sell a car you rarely use.

3. Rent empty guest houses or rooms.

How condescending, it isn't that they are wrong, but considering how they rip cities off and blackmail them by pitting them against each other to get free shit from the city, and considering that the average fan has to take out a bank loan just to by a thimble sized beer. And a box seat at the Superbowl costs more than some colleges? These 32 billionaires want to tell me they don't have tons of clothing they never use? They don't have cars they rarely use? They don't have multiple mansions they rarely use?

And lets face it, most billionaires are economic conservatives, so they vote for the party that guts funding to everything. Teaching home economics, just like civics should be taught in every zip code, rural, urban and suburban. I have always gotten along better with bosses that don't ask you to do anything they wouldn't do themselves, and those who listen to your needs . I have always hated bosses that sit at a desk and bark orders and not much else.

And these billionaires make most of their money off of merchandising in jerseys, ball caps and other logo'd trinkets. Again, These players prior to going in have played for free as young as pee wee league. Most of the famous rich players we here about are a fraction of the total number of players who only average maybe 2 to 5 years and most play at a base salary. 

But in general, for 40 years billionaires and the GOP have successfully bullied labor in every industry. And all I am saying, is if you are going to say the right things, don't lie about your intent, and don't use that mask of good intent to manipulate the public and pit them against your labor.

The only reason they say shit like that, is to make the labor look irresponsible. If they truly cared they'd put more money in their player's wallets, on top of their concession stand workers and groundskeepers, and pay more in taxes so that schools in all zip codes in both red and blue states, could produce adults that would be armed with that knowledge so you wouldn't have to lecture them in the first place.
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
You realize that the NFL base salary for a rookie is about US$500 000, right? You realize that they get health insurance, pension plans, tuition reimbursements, and a raft of other benefits, correct?

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
(August 15, 2019 at 12:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You realize that the NFL base salary for a rookie is about US$500 000, right? You realize that they get health insurance, pension plans, tuition reimbursements, and a raft of other benefits, correct?

Boru

Yea and? Did you not read my post?

That does not cover all the free play prior to getting into the league. When you spread it out to basically over 20 years, that isn't that much. And again, compared  to their billionaire owners, that is still a drop in the bucket. 

Again, the only reason the NFL pulls this "save your money" crap with the players, is to get the fans pitted against the players, which gets them to ignore that the billionaire owners. I just find it hypocritical for the owners to tell them to cut back on spending, when those owners also have closes and cars and property they also barely use.

The NFL owners pull the same con most of corporate America does. Point to the different zip codes, and say, "You better look out for the other guy, they are your enemy."

YES 500,000 is a lot, but it is nothing compared to what the billionaires make. And those players have to live off of that after they leave. The key isn't to blame the labor, but for the owners to value the society they get rich off of, not just the players, but the stadium workers, the fans that buy their products, the cities that loan them money to build the stadiums.

Again, I have no problem with "save your money". I do have a problem with the hypocrisy knowing those billionaires have cloths they rarely use, cars they rarely drive, and property they rarely use. Again, don't ask your employees to do things you are not willing to do yourself.
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
(August 15, 2019 at 12:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 15, 2019 at 12:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You realize that the NFL base salary for a rookie is about US$500 000, right? You realize that they get health insurance, pension plans, tuition reimbursements, and a raft of other benefits, correct?

Boru

Yea and? Did you not read my post?

That does not cover all the free play prior to getting into the league. When you spread it out to basically over 20 years, that isn't that much. And again, compared  to their billionaire owners, that is still a drop in the bucket. 

Again, the only reason the NFL pulls this "save your money" crap with the players, is to get the fans pitted against the players, which gets them to ignore that the billionaire owners. I just find it hypocritical for the owners to tell them to cut back on spending, when those owners also have closes and cars and property they also barely use.

The NFL owners pull the same con most of corporate America does. Point to the different zip codes, and say, "You better look out for the other guy, they are your enemy."

YES 500,000 is a lot, but it is nothing compared to what the billionaires make. And those players have to live off of that after they leave. The key isn't to blame the labor, but for the owners to value the society they get rich off of, not just the players, but the stadium workers, the fans that buy their products, the cities that loan them money to build the stadiums.

Again, I have no problem with "save your money". I do have a problem with the hypocrisy knowing those billionaires have cloths they rarely use, cars they rarely drive, and property they rarely use. Again, don't ask your employees to do things you are not willing to do yourself.

I read your post.  Twice.

Why the hell should owners pay for players who aren't in the league?  Why should a business owner pay ANYone who doesn't work for them?

Maybe another reason that owners are advising players to save their money is that professional athletes are notoriously bad at money management.

No, players do not have to live off their salaries when they leave off playing.  They get a pension, and they have the opportunity to invest in a retirement scheme.

You understand a billionaire doesn't NEED to be advised about money management, correct?  If you're going to get into such high dudgeon over team owners being billionaires, maybe you should stop watching American football.

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
(August 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 15, 2019 at 12:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yea and? Did you not read my post?

That does not cover all the free play prior to getting into the league. When you spread it out to basically over 20 years, that isn't that much. And again, compared  to their billionaire owners, that is still a drop in the bucket. 

Again, the only reason the NFL pulls this "save your money" crap with the players, is to get the fans pitted against the players, which gets them to ignore that the billionaire owners. I just find it hypocritical for the owners to tell them to cut back on spending, when those owners also have closes and cars and property they also barely use.

The NFL owners pull the same con most of corporate America does. Point to the different zip codes, and say, "You better look out for the other guy, they are your enemy."

YES 500,000 is a lot, but it is nothing compared to what the billionaires make. And those players have to live off of that after they leave. The key isn't to blame the labor, but for the owners to value the society they get rich off of, not just the players, but the stadium workers, the fans that buy their products, the cities that loan them money to build the stadiums.

Again, I have no problem with "save your money". I do have a problem with the hypocrisy knowing those billionaires have cloths they rarely use, cars they rarely drive, and property they rarely use. Again, don't ask your employees to do things you are not willing to do yourself.

I read your post.  Twice.

Why the hell should owners pay for players who aren't in the league?  Why should a business owner pay ANYone who doesn't work for them?

Maybe another reason that owners are advising players to save their money is that professional athletes are notoriously bad at money management.

No, players do not have to live off their salaries when they leave off playing.  They get a pension, and they have the opportunity to invest in a retirement scheme.

You understand a billionaire doesn't NEED to be advised about money management, correct?  If you're going to get into such high dudgeon over team owners being billionaires, maybe you should stop watching American football.

Boru

Who the fuck is asking owners to pay for people who are not in the league?


I said that you are focused on the player's salary when there is a lot more to it than just that number.

Sorry dude, not my baggage that you don't get it.

SOME get a pension, not all. There is a shitload of fine print in their contracts. Just like health insurance today, they will find a way not to pay out every time they get a chance. 

It is standard in most businesses that you have to work a certain number of years to get a pension. Most businesses today fire employees at the mid and low level before they have to pay a pension.

(August 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 15, 2019 at 12:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yea and? Did you not read my post?

That does not cover all the free play prior to getting into the league. When you spread it out to basically over 20 years, that isn't that much. And again, compared  to their billionaire owners, that is still a drop in the bucket. 

Again, the only reason the NFL pulls this "save your money" crap with the players, is to get the fans pitted against the players, which gets them to ignore that the billionaire owners. I just find it hypocritical for the owners to tell them to cut back on spending, when those owners also have closes and cars and property they also barely use.

The NFL owners pull the same con most of corporate America does. Point to the different zip codes, and say, "You better look out for the other guy, they are your enemy."

YES 500,000 is a lot, but it is nothing compared to what the billionaires make. And those players have to live off of that after they leave. The key isn't to blame the labor, but for the owners to value the society they get rich off of, not just the players, but the stadium workers, the fans that buy their products, the cities that loan them money to build the stadiums.

Again, I have no problem with "save your money". I do have a problem with the hypocrisy knowing those billionaires have cloths they rarely use, cars they rarely drive, and property they rarely use. Again, don't ask your employees to do things you are not willing to do yourself.

I read your post.  Twice.

Why the hell should owners pay for players who aren't in the league?  Why should a business owner pay ANYone who doesn't work for them?

Maybe another reason that owners are advising players to save their money is that professional athletes are notoriously bad at money management.

No, players do not have to live off their salaries when they leave off playing.  They get a pension, and they have the opportunity to invest in a retirement scheme.

You understand a billionaire doesn't NEED to be advised about money management, correct?  If you're going to get into such high dudgeon over team owners being billionaires, maybe you should stop watching American football.

Boru

Holy shit...... "Billionaires don't need lectures on money management".... NO SHIT, but they do need a lecture on greed and hypocrisy.

They still rip off the concession stand workers, and the fans and the cities they get loans from to build their stadiums, loans they frequently do not pay back. 

And very few of their players get the health care they need after they leave the league. Just like sitcom actors are supposed to get royalties after the show ends. If it worked the way you think it does, then nobody would go broke. I do not buy the myth that every single player who goes broke is irresponsible.
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
(August 15, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I read your post.  Twice.

Why the hell should owners pay for players who aren't in the league?  Why should a business owner pay ANYone who doesn't work for them?

Maybe another reason that owners are advising players to save their money is that professional athletes are notoriously bad at money management.

No, players do not have to live off their salaries when they leave off playing.  They get a pension, and they have the opportunity to invest in a retirement scheme.

You understand a billionaire doesn't NEED to be advised about money management, correct?  If you're going to get into such high dudgeon over team owners being billionaires, maybe you should stop watching American football.

Boru

Who the fuck is asking owners to pay for people who are not in the league?


I said that you are focused on the player's salary when there is a lot more to it than just that number.

Sorry dude, not my baggage that you don't get it.

SOME get a pension, not all. There is a shitload of fine print in their contracts. Just like health insurance today, they will find a way not to pay out every time they get a chance. 

It is standard in most businesses that you have to work a certain number of years to get a pension. Most businesses today fire employees at the mid and low level before they have to pay a pension.

(August 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I read your post.  Twice.

Why the hell should owners pay for players who aren't in the league?  Why should a business owner pay ANYone who doesn't work for them?

Maybe another reason that owners are advising players to save their money is that professional athletes are notoriously bad at money management.

No, players do not have to live off their salaries when they leave off playing.  They get a pension, and they have the opportunity to invest in a retirement scheme.

You understand a billionaire doesn't NEED to be advised about money management, correct?  If you're going to get into such high dudgeon over team owners being billionaires, maybe you should stop watching American football.

Boru

Holy shit...... "Billionaires don't need lectures on money management".... NO SHIT, but they do need a lecture on greed and hypocrisy.

They still rip off the concession stand workers, and the fans and the cities they get loans from to build their stadiums, loans they frequently do not pay back. 

And very few of their players get the health care they need after they leave the league. Just like sitcom actors are supposed to get royalties after the show ends. If it worked the way you think it does, then nobody would go broke. I do not buy the myth that every single player who goes broke is irresponsible.

So...going to stop watching the games on TV?

Boru

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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
Will there be Muppets?

And a domino?

And poker chips?

Will the Loch Ness Monster be making an appearance?

Popcorn

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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
Quote:Who the fuck is asking owners to pay for people who are not in the league?
You are.  You said players' base salary doesn't cover 'all that free play before they get into the league'.  Clearly, you think owners should pay players for the time they were NOT in the league.
Quote:I said that you are focused on the player's salary when there is a lot more to it than just that number.

Actually, I'm focusing on salary and benefits.  Did you look at the link I posted?

Quote:SOME get a pension, not all.

True as far as it goes, but actually the majority of players (three years or more) qualify for a pension, while ALL players can contribute to a retirement annuity, which the NFL matches at 200%.

So, when will stop watching football games on television and stop supporting these greedy, immoral, heartless billionaires?

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
(August 15, 2019 at 6:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Who the fuck is asking owners to pay for people who are not in the league?
You are.  You said players' base salary doesn't cover 'all that free play before they get into the league'.  Clearly, you think owners should pay players for the time they were NOT in the league.
Quote:I said that you are focused on the player's salary when there is a lot more to it than just that number.

Actually, I'm focusing on salary and benefits.  Did you look at the link I posted?

Quote:SOME get a pension, not all.

True as far as it goes, but actually the majority of players (three years or more) qualify for a pension, while ALL players can contribute to a retirement annuity, which the NFL matches at 200%.

So, when will stop watching football games on television and stop supporting these greedy, immoral, heartless billionaires?

Boru

Oh bullshit, even after 3 years, very few players unless they make Brady status get shit after they leave.

Just like the cast of Happy Days was screwed and is still screwed.

My late mother got a real pension as a public school teacher, She was a teacher from the early 60s to the early 90s, and died in 2017. 

Mice print is how actors, musicians, comedians, and sport stars get screwed.
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RE: NFL may be headed to player negotiation.
Quote:Oh bullshit, even after 3 years, very few players unless they make Brady status get shit after they leave.

Simply not true.  Did you read the link I posted regarding NFL player benefits?  It's pretty generous.

Quote:Just like the cast of Happy Days was screwed and is still screwed.

I don't know anything about that, sorry.

Quote:My late mother got a real pension as a public school teacher, She was a teacher from the early 60s to the early 90s, and died in 2017. 

Good!  Teaching is a noble profession. Did she ever play for the NFL?

Quote:Mice print is how actors, musicians, comedians, and sport stars get screwed.


I'm going to assume you meant 'fine print'.  Have you ever seen one of these contracts?  Can you point out for me that language that 'screwed' these people?  And don't you think it's incumbent on people signing a contract to fully understand it first?

For the record, I was a professional musician for almost 20 years.  Some of that was under contract.  If I didn't understand a contract, I'd have a solicitor look it over.  It's not hard to do.  I never got screwed.

When are you going to stop watching the NFL on TV?

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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