Friendly Atheism

[Belacqua]

Yeah, those are notoriously slippery ideas to get a hold of.

I wonder if it would be too far off topic for this thread.

Well, it pertains to whether theism could be rational I'd say, so not yet.

I responded to a couple of points: 

That in a major portion of theology, existence and consciousness are not prior one to the other. 

That classical theology is different from pantheism.

But I don't have the energy at the moment to argue the whole case -- it's an enormously big subject.

[GrandizerII]

For clarity:

Pantheism = God and universe, one and the same
Panentheism = universe is a manifestation of divine energy/God but is not all of God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

[mcc1789]

Well, it pertains to whether theism could be rational I'd say, so not yet.

I responded to a couple of points: 

That in a major portion of theology, existence and consciousness are not prior one to the other. 

That classical theology is different from pantheism.

But I don't have the energy at the moment to argue the whole case -- it's an enormously big subject.

All right.

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For clarity:

Pantheism = God and universe, one and the same
Panentheism = universe is a manifestation of divine energy/God but is not all of God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

The way you and Wikipedia explain it doesn't seem much different from classical theism. I've heard that it means everything is inside of God (like Berkeley's view that all things are just God's ideas).

[Succubus]

Friendly atheism sounds to me like the Templeton prize, which is awarded to various rubber wristed atheist wankers who have something positive to say about religion.

Martin Rees, I'm looking at you.

[mcc1789]

Friendly atheism sounds to me like the Templeton prize, which is awarded to various rubber wristed atheist wankers who have something positive to say about religion.  

Martin Rees, I'm looking at you.

Well, that isn't what William Rowe meant by it. Despite saying theism could be rational in some cases, he still criticized it his entire career.