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I opened the door for solicitors
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
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#12
RE: I opened the door for solicitors
Lawyers??

Bastards!
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
(September 6, 2019 at 9:41 am)TristanJ Wrote: I feel like an idiot  Doh these religious people came to my door and because they didn't have a bible i didn't think they where religious so i let them ask me a question. 
Keep in mind i have aspergers so i don't know how to people as it is and there like do you believe in god? and my brain was like "Walk away slowly and shut the door" and because i don't like lying my mouth just goes uh, i'm an atheist? And there just like oh? tell me how you got to that conclusion, and i'm like uh iv'e been like this? oh okay, tell me how this apartment just randomly appeared here. .___. And i'm like thinking "I don't know how to have a actual debate man, i just watch debates" so i'm sitting here like a complete moron who doesn't sound like they understand which clearly makes them look like their winning. And i'm like "Google it" or read a Charles Darwin i can't get words out of my head very well but there are tons of things online you can look up "i have to go now, bye" and shut the door. I wanna hide in a hole now to be fair, i can't debate worth the life of me yet iv'e watched millions of videos. The words didn't come out i didn't mean it to sound like you win. i latterly meant the words aren't in my head to explain and you should find someone who can. 
Damn, now i'm worried there gonna come back because i opened the door for them the first time and they where gone for so long too! is it odd to say i feel like my personal space was sorta invaded? A question, doesn't always mean debate, or the bible and i wish they would have just said a question about god cause then i'd have had more room to say sorry i didn't realize that's not a conversation i'd like to have.  I also am nervous about them showing back up or starting something with folks below me now, is there anyway i can make it so they can't knock on my door? but i also don't want to make it so i can't help other people who actually need something like bottle collecting or more important things. 
I know i'm sorta hard on myself for mistakes, but i really do feel dumb. 
but religious people have always made me feel dumb? i also tend to freeze up and slur my words and my thinking gets all fuzzy cause social anxiety.

Sounds like this was super stressful for you!

Not to minimize how you feel, but realistically, this sounds like a pretty innocuous interaction, albeit a bit embarrassing for you. Who cares what they think? Regardless of what some people say, I find their practices to be a bit predatory; I think they did invade your space. In a world where people usually call before they even think of coming over, who the hell are they to knock on your door and ask you if you believe in god?

Don't you think it would be seen as quite rude if you did the same, but then followed up with, "Well why do you think god exists? What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? Did you know that there's never been one piece of verifiable, objective evidence presented to support the idea that there's a god?"

You'd be viewed as an arrogant prick.

So, to me, they are arrogant pricks for doing this to you. Fuck them and what they think about you.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
(September 6, 2019 at 4:25 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(September 6, 2019 at 9:41 am)TristanJ Wrote: I feel like an idiot  Doh these religious people came to my door and because they didn't have a bible i didn't think they where religious so i let them ask me a question. 
Keep in mind i have aspergers so i don't know how to people as it is and there like do you believe in god? and my brain was like "Walk away slowly and shut the door" and because i don't like lying my mouth just goes uh, i'm an atheist? And there just like oh? tell me how you got to that conclusion, and i'm like uh iv'e been like this? oh okay, tell me how this apartment just randomly appeared here. .___. And i'm like thinking "I don't know how to have a actual debate man, i just watch debates" so i'm sitting here like a complete moron who doesn't sound like they understand which clearly makes them look like their winning. And i'm like "Google it" or read a Charles Darwin i can't get words out of my head very well but there are tons of things online you can look up "i have to go now, bye" and shut the door. I wanna hide in a hole now to be fair, i can't debate worth the life of me yet iv'e watched millions of videos. The words didn't come out i didn't mean it to sound like you win. i latterly meant the words aren't in my head to explain and you should find someone who can. 
Damn, now i'm worried there gonna come back because i opened the door for them the first time and they where gone for so long too! is it odd to say i feel like my personal space was sorta invaded? A question, doesn't always mean debate, or the bible and i wish they would have just said a question about god cause then i'd have had more room to say sorry i didn't realize that's not a conversation i'd like to have.  I also am nervous about them showing back up or starting something with folks below me now, is there anyway i can make it so they can't knock on my door? but i also don't want to make it so i can't help other people who actually need something like bottle collecting or more important things. 
I know i'm sorta hard on myself for mistakes, but i really do feel dumb. 
but religious people have always made me feel dumb? i also tend to freeze up and slur my words and my thinking gets all fuzzy cause social anxiety.

Sounds like this was super stressful for you!

Not to minimize how you feel, but realistically, this sounds like a pretty innocuous interaction, albeit a bit embarrassing for you. Who cares what they think? Regardless of what some people say, I find their practices to be a bit predatory; I think they did invade your space. In a world where people usually call before they even think of coming over, who the hell are they to knock on your door and ask you if you believe in god?

Don't you think it would be seen as quite rude if you did the same, but then followed up with, "Well why do you think god exists? What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? Did you know that there's never been one piece of verifiable, objective evidence presented to support the idea that there's a god?"

You'd be viewed as an arrogant prick.

So, to me, they are arrogant pricks for doing this to you. Fuck them and what they think about you.

I was thinking about this before returning home today after work and i think i was almost embarrassed that i couldn't defend myself after watching tons of debates. But in the end it probably doesn't matter your not wrong. I actually put a home made no religion no politics at my door and hopefully they can read, maybe someday but for the moment i just don't got enough skills to debate. It was arrogant yea, ignorance is bliss. But also reminds me of hamlons razor. My flaw is i'm extremely kind and probably trust to easy so i didn't expect that. Although my mother is religious and i just told her this story and she laughed because i told them to google it and basically read. So hey, if shes not offended they're fine. Made my dad mad though not at me just how they interacted with me not sure why, but i always suspected my dad was a non beliver who just goes with what my mother says but he claims he believes in "Something" so unsure sometimes other times he says differently.

(September 6, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: A couple of months ago some Jehovah's Witnesses showed up at my house. They were both young men in their early 20's. I gave them my atheist business card. They took one look at the card and left without making any attempt to discuss religion or the Bible.  Jesus

What is an antsiest business card?

(September 6, 2019 at 10:55 am)TristanJ Wrote:
(September 6, 2019 at 10:08 am)onlinebiker Wrote: It's your home.

Make yourself comfortable.

Feel free to be naked.

The christers can leave if they don't like it.

Yea, true i guess i just feel dumb for not knowing what to say  :/ 
but also i don't want to be mean and cut them off and say leave. but your right i should.
I just but a no region no politics home made sign up 
but if im ever in the mood to put something into it and give it a go i might just for the experience and knowledge writing it down is a good idea the only issue is see is sometimes things go of script. I'm almost upset i couldn't do it. But its ok now iv'e been pretty chill all day once that was over and done with, nerve racking though. I had flags (lgbt) outside and for a while they left and didn't return i liked that, these seem to be different ones apparently with more guts.   My time could be better spent giving bottles to make money for charity to bad they weren't doing that
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
(September 6, 2019 at 4:39 pm)TristanJ Wrote: I was thinking about this before returning home today after work and i think i was almost embarrassed that i couldn't defend myself after watching tons of debates. But in the end it probably doesn't matter your not wrong. I actually put a home made no religion no politics at my door and hopefully they can read, maybe someday but for the moment i just don't got enough skills to debate.

But, once again, while I'm not trying to minimize how this situation made you feel, who the fuck are they to come to your door and essentially challenge you to a debate about god's existence? You seem to be on the defensive here, but as far as I'm concerned you should be on the offensive. Fuck them for thinking they can just come challenge you like that. Is that how normal humans interact? Knocking on each other's doors and challenging each other to debates? Certainly not in 2019 it isn't. Fuck them!


(September 6, 2019 at 4:39 pm)TristanJ Wrote: It was arrogant yea, ignorance is bliss. But also reminds me of hamlons razor. My flaw is i'm extremely kind and probably trust to easy so i didn't expect that. Although my mother is religious and i just told her this story and she laughed because i told them to google it and basically read. So hey, if shes not offended they're fine. Made my dad mad though not at me just how they interacted with me not sure why, but i always suspected my dad was a non beliver who just goes with what my mother says but he claims he believes in "Something" so unsure sometimes other times he says differently.

Once again, who cares if they're offended? I agree, you are too nice! Not knocking you though, I hear what you're saying.

It's just, to me, fuck anyone who comes to my doorstep to challenge what I do or don't believe. It's no one's business unless I choose to specifically engage in that conversation. You shouldn't be worried about them being offended, you should be saying, "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, get off of my goddamn property."

Just my two cent. Tongue
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
The following sign on the door might be fun....



Solicitors not appreciated

Unless accompanied

By fellatio.


...

It would be fun to watch the JWs deciding to knock or not.
#17
RE: I opened the door for solicitors
Calmly practice how you will go about answering their questions by asking them questions.
It helps if you can always keep asking them questions.

Let the inner 4 yr old in you.....OUT.
Keep asking why or how.

If they ask about your apt and how it randomly appeared, trying making statements about the apt and also asking them to confirm.

"My apt is made from natural raw materials. The wood in my apt came from several trees, like the ones growing naturally over there.
Is there any material that my apt is made of that didn't come from earth in one way or another ? More than likely you asked this question because you wanted to get to the idea that a builder built my apt. Which came first, the builder or the natural materials that the builder uses ?

You guessed it, the natural materials came first. Nature existed long before the builder began to exist. And how did the builder begin to exist ?
He had natural parents that gave birth to him. The builder is also a product of nature. Again, nature comes first and nature produced a builder that used natural materials that existed long before he did to build the apt.

Let's recap shall we. Nature produces materials. Nature produces the builder. The builder uses materials to build the apt."
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
(September 6, 2019 at 7:12 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The following sign on the door might be fun....



Solicitors not appreciated

Unless accompanied

By fellatio.


...

It would be fun to watch the JWs deciding to knock or not.

Maybe put your picture beside the sign too make it super effective. ;-)




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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
(September 6, 2019 at 9:41 am)TristanJ Wrote: I feel like an idiot  Doh these religious people came to my door and because they didn't have a bible i didn't think they where religious so i let them ask me a question. 
Keep in mind i have aspergers so i don't know how to people as it is and there like do you believe in god? and my brain was like "Walk away slowly and shut the door" and because i don't like lying my mouth just goes uh, i'm an atheist? And there just like oh? tell me how you got to that conclusion, and i'm like uh iv'e been like this? oh okay, tell me how this apartment just randomly appeared here. .___. And i'm like thinking "I don't know how to have a actual debate man, i just watch debates" so i'm sitting here like a complete moron who doesn't sound like they understand which clearly makes them look like their winning. And i'm like "Google it" or read a Charles Darwin i can't get words out of my head very well but there are tons of things online you can look up "i have to go now, bye" and shut the door. I wanna hide in a hole now to be fair, i can't debate worth the life of me yet iv'e watched millions of videos. The words didn't come out i didn't mean it to sound like you win. i latterly meant the words aren't in my head to explain and you should find someone who can. 
Damn, now i'm worried there gonna come back because i opened the door for them the first time and they where gone for so long too! is it odd to say i feel like my personal space was sorta invaded? A question, doesn't always mean debate, or the bible and i wish they would have just said a question about god cause then i'd have had more room to say sorry i didn't realize that's not a conversation i'd like to have.  I also am nervous about them showing back up or starting something with folks below me now, is there anyway i can make it so they can't knock on my door? but i also don't want to make it so i can't help other people who actually need something like bottle collecting or more important things. 
I know i'm sorta hard on myself for mistakes, but i really do feel dumb. 
but religious people have always made me feel dumb? i also tend to freeze up and slur my words and my thinking gets all fuzzy cause social anxiety.

Hi TristanJ,

You aren't under any obligation to debate, so don't feel bad, debating is not for everyone.  No, it's not odd to feel that your personal space has been intruded upon, they are intruding upon it.  Don't you just love how they come to you out of the blue and suddenly you're the one who has to justify your lack of belief to them, the inquisitors.  I actually look forward to their visits.  Yes, you read that right.  They never last very long in a debate with me, mostly because they aren't very educated or informed, and once they have engaged me they never come back. Sorry but I'm far past the "look at the trees, look at the squirrels" stage now.  From time to time a new batch comes round and I get to have a little fun.  I love the deer in the headlights look they take on.  The last time the JW's came round I told them to go back and send their very best debater because frankly, they weren't ready for a debate with me.   Sadly, that was over a year ago and no one has come again.  Next time, if there is one, I'm going to put on the biggest smile and say that they are so very fortunate to have stumbled upon the home of an Objectivist and offer to help them to untangle the mess they've made of their minds. That should be fun.  But in all seriousness,  if one of them was able to refute me, then I would also be happy because I don't want to believe things that aren't true, and I'm not infallible.  

Look, they are predators.  They are looking for the weak and the unsure and afraid.  Don't act like prey and they will leave you alone.  

It's Saturday morning right now.  Maybe they'll come rolling down my driveway any minute!  Bring it on and you better have your ducks in a row mystics.
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RE: I opened the door for solicitors
You are under no obligation to explain yourself to them or answer questions. Try to remember that if they come back.

Also, remember that if you tell them you have been "disfellowshipped", they will shut up immediately and leave, for they are forbidden under thread of shunning to speak a word to any disfellowshipped person (someone who's been shunned as a JW).
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