Early Islam and healthcare

[Deesse23]

Don't be so silly, Brian.  Don't you know that Muslims invented everything, have never committed an atrocity, and are the most persecuted people in the history of the world?

Boru

edit: The above reply is intended as sarcasm.  Thank you in advance for not snapping.

Its utterly pathetic to try to display the most violent religion which was exclusively spread with the sword, who ruled major parts of the world west of China for most of the time as the most persecuted people.

But, gents, thats what religion makes people do: To defend the indefensible. I bet Atlass didnt care if Crassus attacked the Sassanids (he explicitly said he respects the Roman Empire more than say any later western european empire), but it matters that poor little MUSLIMS got abused later, even if it was the same people in the same area.

He doesnt care about people, he cares about people of a certain religion.

[Mister Agenda]

Exclusively spread by the sword? That's amazing.

[Deesse23]

On german TV there is routinely history docus about islam and its achievements during the medieval age (broaadly speaking in terms of time). Nothing hidden, dumped, twisted.

Muslim advent to the world literally shook the whole globe, from Africa to Europe.
That's not even my opinion; but the opinion of historians that some of them were even atheist.

Until this day Muslims are a billion and increasing. Muslims hold the richest regions in their hands, unlike the Mongols they kept science and rewarded scientists, they even utilized the geniuses of Europe to manufacture the strongest cannons of their time, but why don't I read about this unless I dig so deep in Wikipedia, while way smaller cultures are magnified.

Give me the name of the program and the channel so I confess that I was wrong.

Yesterday
Siege of Jacobs ford
Salah ad Din beats Badvin IV

Also yesterday:
Gibralfaro/Acasaba: Typical fortification from the Taifa period in Spain

Want more info from the day before yesterday? Or today? Probably tomorrow? I mean, its only two docus on one day, and only one channel, maybe thats not enough to praise the achievements of Islam, is it?.

Maybe want me to post the links to the 4 part docu about the spanish inquisition from yesterday too (same channel)? Probably its not sufficient documentation about the muslim-eating barbarian europeans, is it?

[Brian37]

I hate it when anyone of any religion makes arguments like this.

Caring isn't a patent owned by one religion. Our species evolved to socialize and caring is an expression of empathy which creates bonds within the family and society. 

And for that matter, our species ability to be cruel to each other, is also not a patent owned by one religion. Unfortunately humas fight and conflicts happen. Religion isn't a cure for that.

Our species behaviors are not relegated by old books or fictional super natural beings. Our species behaviors, good or bad, are a result of our evolution. 

There are good people in every religion in the world, and bad people in every religion in the world. There is not one nation, friend or foe alike that does not have hospitals and prisons. 

Religion does not automatically make one good. Actions are in the individual, and it is still up to us how we interact with each other. There is nobody upstairs helping humanity. We are the only ones who can help each other.

Don't be so silly, Brian.  Don't you know that Muslims invented everything, have never committed an atrocity, and are the most persecuted people in the history of the world?

Boru

edit: The above reply is intended as sarcasm.  Thank you in advance for not snapping.

To be fair to our ISIS, HESBOLAH, Al Quesadilla friend, (Please don't hurt me Atlass, I really am just being silly) 

In all seriousness Buro and Atllass, Atlass is in a tough spot, much tougher than you or I Boru. I have no sympathy for Islamic terrorism, and you know that and he knows that. But I also get that he hates his rulers, and he doesn't like Trump, but neither do we. 

I'd only argue to Atlass, is that as individuals we do not have to hate each other. 

Atlass, trust us. Not everyone in the west are dicks like Trump. Just like you'd argue  you don't represent the Saudi Prince.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Don't be so silly, Brian.  Don't you know that Muslims invented everything, have never committed an atrocity, and are the most persecuted people in the history of the world?

Boru

edit: The above reply is intended as sarcasm.  Thank you in advance for not snapping.

To be fair to our ISIS, HESBOLAH, Al Quesadilla friend, (Please don't hurt me Atlass, I really am just being silly) 

In all seriousness Buro and Atllass, Atlass is in a tough spot, much tougher than you or I Boru. I have no sympathy for Islamic terrorism, and you know that and he knows that. But I also get that he hates his rulers, and he doesn't like Trump, but neither do we. 

I'd only argue to Atlass, is that as individuals we do not have to hate each other. 

Atlass, trust us. Not everyone in the west are dicks like Trump. Just like you'd argue  you don't represent the Saudi Prince.

It's got fuck all to do with being in a 'tough spot'.  I'm not claiming he's not at risk or anything related to it.  But his worldview is plainly bigoted.

Boru

[LastPoet]

The people from those lands were quite civilised I reckon, until someone made up a Allah. It's going downhill ever since.

[Deesse23]

Muslim advent to the world literally shook the whole globe, from Africa to Europe.
That's not even my opinion; but the opinion of historians that some of them were even atheist.

Until this day Muslims are a billion and increasing. Muslims hold the richest regions in their hands, unlike the Mongols they kept science and rewarded scientists, they even utilized the geniuses of Europe to manufacture the strongest cannons of their time, but why don't I read about this unless I dig so deep in Wikipedia, while way smaller cultures are magnified.

Give me the name of the program and the channel so I confess that I was wrong.

Today on PHOENIX: "The heirs of Mohammed. 1400 years of muslim history"

[WinterHold]

Don't be so silly, Brian.  Don't you know that Muslims invented everything, have never committed an atrocity, and are the most persecuted people in the history of the world?

Boru

edit: The above reply is intended as sarcasm.  Thank you in advance for not snapping.

To be fair to our ISIS, HESBOLAH, Al Quesadilla friend, (Please don't hurt me Atlass, I really am just being silly) 

In all seriousness Buro and Atllass, Atlass is in a tough spot, much tougher than you or I Boru. I have no sympathy for Islamic terrorism, and you know that and he knows that. But I also get that he hates his rulers, and he doesn't like Trump, but neither do we. 

I'd only argue to Atlass, is that as individuals we do not have to hate each other. 

Atlass, trust us. Not everyone in the west are dicks like Trump. Just like you'd argue  you don't represent the Saudi Prince.

Criticizing the west is not due to anything other than the usage of "Human Rights" as a weapon. It's very hard -if not even impossible- to sympathies with western politics that remained silent facing the extermination of a whole country -Yemen- at the hand of an ally known for mental instability and extreme blood lust: i.e Mohammed bin Salman.

The western powers always practice protection for criminals, loving money more than justice, favoring a quick boost of Arab money over standing for the rights and even life of Middle Eastern people who are trapped between western weapons given to Arab dictators, and political support and cover given to Arab dictators like Sisi and MBS.

I'm not mad at the west; Brian. I am frustrated and feeling betrayed.

Where is the trial of MBS for killing Kashoggi in front of the whole world?
Where is the intervention in Yemen?
Just where?

The west doesn't get the right to take my black gold without a price: the oil we give and the friendship we offer must have a price; but why are western powers making things so hard for Muslim people?

The west blame us for our dictators. But when we want to overthrow a dictator, his western overlords come running with their tongues out to drink the black oil before anybody. Giving the Arab dictator all kinds of support to win the battle against our bare hands.

May I say that people -especially Muslims- are bored from this game?