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Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 5:38 pm
I remember here in Michigan in 1999-2000 when the legislature was considering making Michigan a "shall issue" state for concealed carry - the naysayers insisted that carnage would result - it would become the "wild wild west", "shootout at the OK Corral", ect.
It just didn't happen.
But violent crime rates did go down - drastically.9
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 5:49 pm
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Yep, crime rates have been consistently falling for some time. There's no relationship between that and concealed carry other than eroding the justification to carry in the first place. It is weird, though, that so many people imagine that the US is or will become some sort of battlefield. People who want to carry guns probably already are, license or not. The reliable comparisons to the wild west are even more perplexing. The west wasn't that wild, if empowered gun nutters are the metric. That period saw some of the strictest gun regulations in US history. Mere possession of a firearm in a restricted or prohibited area could and would end in summary execution.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 5:51 pm
(January 3, 2020 at 5:38 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I remember here in Michigan in 1999-2000 when the legislature was considering making Michigan a "shall issue" state for concealed carry - the naysayers insisted that carnage would result - it would become the "wild wild west", "shootout at the OK Corral", ect.
It just didn't happen.
But violent crime rates did go down - drastically.9
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...n-the-u-s/ Crime was already falling
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 5:55 pm
(January 3, 2020 at 5:49 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yep, crime rates have been consistently falling for some time. There's no relationship between that and concealed carry other than eroding the justification to carry in the first place. It is weird, though, that so many people imagine that the US is or will become some sort of battlefield. People who want to carry guns probably already are, license or not. The reliable comparisons to the wild west are even more perplexing. The west wasn't that wild, if empowered gun nutters are the metric. That period saw some of the strictest gun regulations in US history. It's like the guy standing on the corner in a small village in central Alaska, snapping his fingers. After he had stood there for eight straight hours a cop had to ask him what he was doing.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 6:03 pm
(January 3, 2020 at 5:49 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yep, crime rates have been consistently falling for some time. There's no relationship between that and concealed carry other than eroding the justification to carry in the first place. It is weird, though, that so many people imagine that the US is or will become some sort of battlefield. People who want to carry guns probably already are, license or not. The reliable comparisons to the wild west are even more perplexing. The west wasn't that wild, if empowered gun nutters are the metric. That period saw some of the strictest gun regulations in US history. Mere possession of a firearm in a restricted or prohibited area could and would end in summary execution. But with falling crime rates you find it necessary to restrict legal ownership of weapons - especially "assault weapons" - which are simply semi-auto rifles - which are the least used class of gun in crimes.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 6:05 pm
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You're asking the wrong guy. I love my assault weapon. If we wanted to crack down on actual gun crime, we'd be looking at pistols.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 6:11 pm
(January 3, 2020 at 6:05 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're asking the wrong guy. I love my assault weapon. If we wanted to crack down on actual gun crime, we'd be looking at pistols.
My Bushmaster .450 took down 6 deer this year.
No tracking required.
I think it's the best deer rifle ever built.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 6:21 pm
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Meh, I'll probably never step out on my 303. My assault weapon™ is a little sears .22lr from before I was born. Got rid of my sks last year. Oddly enough, the sks, not an assault weapon™
Anywho...as I'm sure that you're aware...people are looking to restrict access to assault weapons™ because they're terrified that some asshole with a black rifle is going to shoot up the kroger, or a school. Crime, going down. Mass shootings...up. It's clear that we have a problem. To use a very apt metaphor, we're dying - and it may be that the cause is something other than the obvious or easiest - but it doesn't hurt to deal with that while we figure out whatever the more comprehensive solution might be. If you went to the er for a gunshot, and found out you had cancer, they're going to stitch you up before they put you in chemo.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 7:29 pm
One of my cousins shot three deer with the same bullet from a .50 Barrett. Killed one outright, one staggered for a bit and then fell, the last one got a crease on its flank. We gave him a 66% score.
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RE: Where is the blood in the streets.
January 3, 2020 at 7:39 pm
(January 3, 2020 at 6:21 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Meh, I'll probably never step out on my 303. My assault weapon™ is a little sears .22lr from before I was born. Got rid of my sks last year. Oddly enough, the sks, not an assault weapon™
Anywho...as I'm sure that you're aware...people are looking to restrict access to assault weapons™ because they're terrified that some asshole with a black rifle is going to shoot up the kroger, or a school. Crime, going down. Mass shootings...up. It's clear that we have a problem. To use a very apt metaphor, we're dying - and it may be that the cause is something other than the obvious or easiest - but it doesn't hurt to deal with that while we figure out whatever the more comprehensive solution might be. If you went to the er for a gunshot, and found out you had cancer, they're going to stitch you up before they put you in chemo.
SKS can be. There were some available that used AK detatchable mags.
They can be a great rifle. I went through better than a dozen before I found one that hits MOA groups (1 minute of angle) at 100 yards. Russian commercial manufacture. It's a keeper.
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