Aircraft

[Rhizomorph13]

I can't even find a kook site that properly represents what I've been told about dielectric stress. Basically you have two plates that are separated from each other by a dielectric. You charge both plates with a timed pulse such that one is positive and the other is negative and that will cause the whole assembly to surge in one direction. Do it with the correct frequency and you can achieve lift theoretically. Also, if you shift where you are stimulating the plates you can bias the lateral direction and achieve lift and thrust at the same time.

T. T. Brown, who patented the "Flying Saucer" in 1926 said that you control the flight when you control the +. I can only think of electromagnetism.

I've seen some stuff about viktor grebennikov that is in line with electro-magnetism and beetle wing shapes that can create EM anomalies that allow for flight. Weird stuff! but the T. T. Brown is more along the lines of what I've heard about dielectric stress and it uses the idea of pulsed, compression of a dielectric with the end result being lift. I think it is really just inefficient way to fly but would be useful in no-atmosphere situations. The thrust accomplished wouldn't drop off with speed, nor would a reduction of propulsion medium reduce efficiency. I meant to try to replicate the results but true to my ADHD I just never focused resources on building a model. I wanted to just create a real hover board.

[onlinebiker]

Spiders do NOT use electricity in any way, shape or form to acheive lift.

They use thermal updrafts - just as any soaring bird or glider does.

[zebo-the-fat]

You can create lift using high voltage (at quite low current), I think it relies on the voltage charging the air molecules which are then repelled (like charges repell) this provides thrust in the oposite direction. The problem is that the thrust is very low and it is difficult to carry the weight of the batteries required. I saw a demonstration in a basketball court I think, it "flew" for just a few seconds and needed very still air, no way it would be practical outside in the wind

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The effect falls off when scaled up. They learned this by no later than 1930.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

As previous posters have mentioned.

It's the interaction between the electrons passed via current interacting with air molecules doing all tje 'Work'.

Hence it would be totally inifective out in 'Space'.

[Fireball]

It uses this concept-

A(x,y,z,t)=μo4π∫J(x′,y′,z′,t′)dv′R

What has that to do with anything?   µ0 is the magnetic field constant.

  It's the Retarded Potential...

[no one]

Hey Haipule, maybe it's time you phone home.

[Haipule]

T. T. Brown, who patented the "Flying Saucer" in 1926 said that you control the flight when you control the +. I can only think of electromagnetism.

I've seen some stuff about viktor grebennikov that is in line with electro-magnetism and beetle wing shapes that can create EM anomalies that allow for flight. Weird stuff! but the T. T. Brown is more along the lines of what I've heard about dielectric stress and it uses the idea of pulsed, compression of a dielectric with the end result being lift. I think it is really just inefficient way to fly but would be useful in no-atmosphere situations. The thrust accomplished wouldn't drop off with speed, nor would a reduction of propulsion medium reduce efficiency. I meant to try to replicate the results but true to my ADHD I just never focused resources on building a model. I wanted to just create a real hover board.

Viktor G is how I was introduced to this. Studying bee-line flight: I was introduced to him. Really, how do bees fly at better than 20 miles per hour, in a perfectly straight line, they can't turn and can't crash into anything--atmospheric electricity - verses -, unless it moves?

I'm a surfer and can go down the line, very fast, by weighting and unweighting: pushing against my fins--up and down. A bee, at that rate of speed, is doing the same thing: weighting and unweighting. They use their antennas with a flagellum, pedicel and scope, to weight and unweight. Their bee-line flight is an oscillation. If you've ever seen it. It's amazing! They don't really fly at that speed, they are actually falling horizontally! And yeah, you heard it here first. Say thank you!

As far as Viktor's board--dare to dream! I've read his flight memoirs. But, the EM he exposed himself to is what killed him 10 years after he built that board in 1983. Others have duplicated but complain of bone paid after every flight. So, protection from EMF is required.


But, here's the thing: he did it! With beetle elytra folded into fans! And it was an EM bubble! Invisible, no friction, no wind, no G-Force and no aerodynamics! Just amazing!

If we where neighbors: you go first!

[Deesse23]

Aloha AF:

I met a retired airman who was once stationed at Edwards AB. He said he saw a small aircraft, silent without an engine or a propeller, take off and fly like any other airplane.


My guess: they used static electricity in the form of charged plate capacitors with glass as the insulator/dielectric as a sort of engine and controlled it using electromagnetism as thrust.


What you say?

I say, i am an electronics engineer, Msc., since the mid 90s, and i havent laughed so hard for a long time (probably since the early 2000s) reading this tread. No offense intended.

Originally i had prepared a much longer, much more detailed evaluation of T.T. Brown and his "antigrav" research as well as the basics of capacitors and forces involved. But then i told myself: "Dont do that to yourself, please".

So, in the end what can i say? If you are interested in electricity, by all means keep studying, and you may overcome the "Mt. Stupid" of Dunning-Kruger and realize how naive you were.

As i said, no offense intended, but there is almost no polite way of telling someone how ignorant he is.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Uhm..... I think the word you want is 'Naivete', Deesse23.

Since, to my mind, the word 'Innocence' is associated with it.

The soldiers proudly marching off the the fields of war in 1914 were 'Naive' towards the horrors that awaited them.

Being traind soldiers, they would not be ignorant of the trauma of conflict.

A better fit than 'Ignorant', perhaps?

Cheers.