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The shroud of turin
#51
RE: The shroud of turin
And there is this...



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So Darth Vader must be real, right? Right?
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#52
RE: The shroud of turin
(January 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Talking about religious relics, what, nobody talks about dragon's bones in the church in Venice?

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I mean priests there believe that they are real and they caused many miraculous healings, so isn't that evidence enough?

And it's not the only church that claims to have dragon bones, there's a cathedral in Poland with miracle inducing dragon bones.

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Bet DNA says mastadon, whale or elephant before it says dragon....
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#53
RE: The shroud of turin
(January 28, 2020 at 1:55 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Bet DNA says mastadon, whale or elephant before it says dragon....
Apparently glib, but raises an important point.

If the religious are so sure that <whatever religious artefact> is genuine, why would they fight tooth and nail to avoid testing at all cost?

Further, why does science have a reluctance to even engage in such testing?

The tablecloth of turin is a case in point. When subjected to scientific testing after years of resistance, the dating demonstrated it to be a medieval fake. Did the believers accept the results of those tests? Nope. They promptly rejected them. Because miracles.

It was a truly jaw dropping spectacle of elaborate pretzel logic.

Inevitably, science walked away. It matters not a whit what test results might be found, those will simply be denied, so what is the point?

The simple fact is that the ToS is a 13th/14th century work of art or fakery.

OR

Jesus was a white northern european so thin that one could slide him through the tiniest letterbox, having an impossible anatomy. When he died and resurrected, he became radioactive and imprinted his image on the tablecloth (radiation does not do that).

Just because.

Now, you may think I am engaging in hyperbole. I am not. Believers claim or have claimed all of that crap.

I wasted years debating this crap. All of it. And all of it is false.

Ironically, the entire lot is irrelevant because it gets the claimant no closer to their claimed deity.
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#54
RE: The shroud of turin
(January 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I wasted years debating this crap. All of it. And all of it is false.

Yeah and one of the reasons is because people who go on the internet with their crazy beliefs be they Roswell crash, alien abductions, angels, creationism, magic, etc. do that to have text wars and not to learn. They won't be dissuaded into believing in them because they don't respect people who try to show them and teach them why their beliefs are wrong. So it seems to me that those people have more chance to learn if they read a book on evolution, rational thinking, etc. than textual exchange with a stranger.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#55
RE: The shroud of turin
(January 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(January 28, 2020 at 1:55 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Bet DNA says mastadon, whale or elephant before it says dragon....
Apparently glib, but raises an important point.

If the religious are so sure that <whatever religious artefact> is genuine, why would they fight tooth and nail to avoid testing at all cost?

Further, why does science have a reluctance to even engage in such testing?

The tablecloth of turin is a case in point. When subjected to scientific testing after years of resistance, the dating demonstrated it to be a medieval fake. Did the believers accept the results of those tests? Nope. They promptly rejected them. Because miracles.

It was a truly jaw dropping spectacle of elaborate pretzel logic.

Inevitably, science walked away. It matters not a whit what test results might be found, those will simply be denied, so what is the point?

The simple fact is that the ToS is a 13th/14th century work of art or fakery.

OR

Jesus was a white northern european so thin that one could slide him through the tiniest letterbox, having an impossible anatomy. When he died and resurrected, he became radioactive and imprinted his image on the tablecloth (radiation does not do that).

Just because.

Now, you may think I am engaging in hyperbole. I am not. Believers claim or have claimed all of that crap.

I wasted years debating this crap. All of it. And all of it is false.

Ironically, the entire lot is irrelevant because it gets the claimant no closer to their claimed deity.

Excellent points.  

The tablecloth of Turin made me chuckle.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#56
RE: The shroud of turin
(February 1, 2020 at 3:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(January 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Apparently glib, but raises an important point.

If the religious are so sure that <whatever religious artefact> is genuine, why would they fight tooth and nail to avoid testing at all cost?

Further, why does science have a reluctance to even engage in such testing?

The tablecloth of turin is a case in point. When subjected to scientific testing after years of resistance, the dating demonstrated it to be a medieval fake. Did the believers accept the results of those tests? Nope. They promptly rejected them. Because miracles.

It was a truly jaw dropping spectacle of elaborate pretzel logic.

Inevitably, science walked away. It matters not a whit what test results might be found, those will simply be denied, so what is the point?

The simple fact is that the ToS is a 13th/14th century work of art or fakery.

OR

Jesus was a white northern european so thin that one could slide him through the tiniest letterbox, having an impossible anatomy. When he died and resurrected, he became radioactive and imprinted his image on the tablecloth (radiation does not do that).

Just because.

Now, you may think I am engaging in hyperbole. I am not. Believers claim or have claimed all of that crap.

I wasted years debating this crap. All of it. And all of it is false.

Ironically, the entire lot is irrelevant because it gets the claimant no closer to their claimed deity.

Excellent points.  

The tablecloth of Turin made me chuckle.
Alas, not original to me. Some other internet anon coined the phrase.
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#57
RE: The shroud of turin
(February 1, 2020 at 3:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(February 1, 2020 at 3:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Excellent points.  

The tablecloth of Turin made me chuckle.
Alas, not original to me. Some other internet anon coined the phrase.

You still get the credit for making me laugh.

Am wondering if those tiny pieces of the cross are actually old toothpicks - in keeping with the dining theme.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#58
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RE: The shroud of turin
Well, if you want to avoid using the guest room, buy a set of these.

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#59
RE: The shroud of turin
(February 1, 2020 at 3:56 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Well, if you want to avoid using the guest room, buy a set of these.

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That's disturbing.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#60
RE: The shroud of turin
(February 1, 2020 at 3:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(February 1, 2020 at 3:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Alas, not original to me. Some other internet anon coined the phrase.

You still get the credit for making me laugh.

Am wondering if those tiny pieces of the cross are actually old toothpicks - in keeping with the dining theme.

Also, were one to tot up the "fragments" of the "true" cross, one could build a flotilla of arks.
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