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The Irishman
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This thought that scorsese is trying to make gangsters and criminals out to be the good guys is in the same vein of believing video games cause real-life violence. Just silliness and nothing more.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
 RE: The Irishman
March 8, 2020 at 2:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2020 at 2:38 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(March 8, 2020 at 2:03 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: This thought that scorsese is trying to make gangsters and criminals out to be the good guys is in the same vein of believing video games cause real-life violence. Just silliness and nothing more. Agreed. It seems that if he wanted to glorify gangsters, he’d have made a lot more than the half dozen or so gangster films he’s directed in the past 50+ years. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
(March 8, 2020 at 2:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Agreed. It seems that if he wanted to glorify gangsters, he’d have made a lot more than the have dozen or so gangster films he’s directed in the past 50+ years. Right. And as we both know, his catalog is much more diverse than that. The claim that creating entertainment that contains elements of violence is glorifying that violence is a totally empty one. I'm just not sure where people get that from. Also, could you imagine how boring it would be if every story with bad guys in it ended with the cops showing up and making sure the bad guys were brought to justice? Or if in every interaction that happened in a film or book, the author or director had to clearly outline for the consumer which parts of the interaction were appropriate and inappropriate, or good or bad, or funny or not funny? I mean c'mon that's just silly. The world of directing and storytelling would come to a screeching halt. Apparently, some people don't understand what the word fiction means.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
 RE: The Irishman
March 8, 2020 at 3:23 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2020 at 3:23 pm by Duty.)
Goodfellas - who is the protagonist/hero?
Wolf of Wall Street - who is the protagonist/hero? The Irishman - who is the protagonist/hero? etc etc etc These are obviously rhetorical questions of mine - the answer is as plain as noses glimpsed in mirrors - total cretinous pieces of shit. RE: The Irishman
March 8, 2020 at 3:27 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2020 at 3:30 pm by EgoDeath.)
You're already creating a straw man argument. Protagonist =/= hero. Maybe the issue here is you do not understand how storytelling works.
Listen dude, I really don't care. You can have the last word. I'm not interested in bickering with you about this. We can agree to disagree. I guess in your world, stories should only exist if they contain good characters in good settings doing good things to other good people. How fascinating. LOL.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
(March 8, 2020 at 3:23 pm)Editz Wrote: Goodfellas - who is the protagonist/hero? The Color Of Money - who is the protagonist/hero? Alice Doesn’t Live Here anymore - who is the protagonist/hero? After Hours - who is the protagonist/hero? Has Scorsese made films about unsavoury people? Yup, and you don’t have to like the the characters or the films. But you’re judging his entire catalogue by a small minority of the films he directed over the years. If you only want to watch films about nice people, that’s certainly your right, and I won’t tell you that you shouldn’t. But when Scorsese make a film based on a real person - like the three you mentioned - it seems pretty unfair of you to pass judgement on the director. I mean, is it his fault that Henry Hill was a total cretinous piece of shit? Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
RE: The Irishman
March 8, 2020 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2020 at 4:05 pm by Duty.)
Films with zero goodies...I'm struggling to think of any outside Scorseseville...
posted that before I read your comment Boru m8, bear with me... Boru - I had NO IDEA those films were based on real people...my ignorance, for shame, and, yes, that MIGHT change my view on this... 
LastPoet
 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione (March 8, 2020 at 2:03 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: This thought that scorsese is trying to make gangsters and criminals out to be the good guys is in the same vein of believing video games cause real-life violence. Just silliness and nothing more. Like the horror movies are meant to glorify whatever the subject is. Meh. RE: The Irishman
March 8, 2020 at 4:32 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2020 at 5:49 pm by EgoDeath.)
(March 8, 2020 at 4:30 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Like the horror movies are meant to glorify whatever the subject is. Meh. Well, it would be like saying all directors of horror movies about demonic possession are glorifying or promoting the idea of Satan, in real life, possessing and killing people... what a bizarre way to think about film and entertainment. The only responsibility of a storyteller is to tell an interesting and compelling story - nothing more. Authors and directors don't need to spell morality out for us... if anything, that's pretty damn insulting to the consumer. edit: Art is free expression. Granted, we can all decide whether or not we find something enjoyable, or whether or not we even wish to call it "art." But this idea that to make a "bad guy" a protagonist is automatically glorifying the actions, thoughts and words of that "bad guy," is total nonsense. I'm not sure where people even come up with saying something like that. Often an artist is simply responding to something within - they're writing a story because something compels them to do so. They're driven by a force that they may not even understand. And as you write or create a story, you also have to think about how it's going to connect with an audience... I mean... if you want that story to have any kind of commercial success, that is. So yeah, mob movies sell tickets. that doesn't mean that the director, and producers, and writers and co-writers automatically want to glorify the mob and the violent shit it's done over the years. I am just totally baffled by that line of thinking. I don't even understand how someone can believe that. Maybe this individual should watch the Disney Channel exclusively. LOL not really sure what else to say.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
Then there's the title: "The Irishman"
Imagine if somebody made a film with that title about an amoral multi multi murderous piece of shit but was NOT accompanied by a cheery "good old days" soundtrack and many reassurances that he's basically a decent, respectful, honourable guy ala Scorcese treatment? The anti-racism brigade would have a field day, especially in the age of wokeness - it'd never make it past the censors with that title. That is PROOF that the Irishman in question is very far indeed away from being portrayed in anything approaching a wholly negative light. EgoDeath - I'm a massive fan of the Hellraiser series, Candyman trilogy and the films of David Cronenberg, so really no need to confine myself to the Disney Channel. |
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