Mandatory vaccinations

[Agnostico]

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.  All too often what happens is that the anti-vaxxer gets to walk away from the disease while their contribution to killing herd immunity gets some poor other sap who did the right thing (or who is immunocompromised) killed.

What your describing is the event where the vaccine fails to do its job. Where the assurances given by the pharmaceutical company fail

This justifies the decision of not getting vaxxed and exposes a crucial flaw in the inoculation program

Last year there was an unusually high cases of the flu here. They were all of people who got vaxxed

So the vaccination didn't work but the blame is placed on the non vaxxer. It can't possibly be the multi billion dollar company that produced it

Ever heard of tetnus?

Ye sure... Here is a graph showing the decline in tetnus cases and deaths. It is no longer a danger



The vaccine was introduced cos cases were high. Now its all but gone yet they still vaccinate against it. Why
Is it the health of our children the priority of big pharma or is it profit?

The disease occurs almost exclusively in persons inadequately immunized. It is more common in hot, damp climates with soil rich in organic matter. Manure-treated soils may contain spores, as they are widely distributed in the intestines and feces of many animals such as horses, sheep, cattle, dogs, cats, rats, guinea pigs, and chickens. In agricultural areas, a significant number of human adults may harbor the organism.

In addition to how rare it is I don't live in an area of hot, damp climate or in agricultural area

In 2017, a 6-year-old boy was playing on a farm in Oregon when he cut his forehead, according to the recently released case study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. His wound was cleaned and stitched up at home, but six days later he experienced muscle spasms, an arched neck and back, trouble breathing and a jaw that clenched so hard he could not open his mouth. Jaw-clenching is among the most common symptoms of tetanus, which is also called lockjaw.

That couldn't possibly happen to us as we would take the kid straight to a medic instead of trying to have it treated in an unsterilized setting

You should probably have your kids taken away from you.

Cos uv exposed a really high risk danger right... 
In reality it's cos u are afraid of your vaccine failing leading to being infected... 
But its not big pharmas fault for supplying a vaccine that failed... Nooo no no... Its anti vaxxers fault... 
Like seriously listen to yourselves

I don't oppose vaccination. I oppose forced vaccination. There's a difference my friend

Yeah, that old lie.  It must be an evolved reflex action amongst ye anti-vaxxers at this stage, ye utter the lie so often.

So u think i oppose your choice to vaxx... There is no motivation for that. Your choice is irrelevant to my family. 
Its either paranoia or a false accusation designed to turn the people against

I’m ok with anti-vaxxers facing the same legal penalties as drunk drivers.

Hehehe not in my lifetime... And your happy to see big pharma get away with releasing faulty vaccines

I think both should face stiffer than what drink drivers currently get.

Ye throw us in jail. We're such a threat to exposing the inadequacies of immunization

 

Polio and whooping cough are no longer a threat and can be treated in a rare case

 

Diphtheria and mumps are also no longer a threat

 

Measles and German measles are also no threat anymore

 

Chicken pox and the listed meningitis diseases are no longer a threat

 

Hepatitis B is also a very minimal threat. 

The objective person asks why are our kids being vaxxed for diseases that pose no threat

Im sure there will be some excuses as to why these vaccines should still be used so let's hear them
Maybe the fact that the vaccines appear to have been effective is an excuse for u guys to continue 

I imagine some people will stick to their ideology and get triggered by these facts resulting in hostile responses

[Rev. Rye]

They're being vaccinated against diseases that seemingly pose little threat, because when we get too complacent, there's a good chance that outbreaks are going to happen among those who aren't. I know this because it happens alarmingly often in America. This is not just some Chicken Little "sky is falling" shit, it's a phoenomenon that's documented. Hell, it happened in Samoa less than a year ago on a NATION-WIDE SCALE. A bit less than 3 percent of the population got a disease you blithely dismissed as “no longer a threat” because parents stopped vaccinating their kids. It was enough to create a state of emergency on the islands, including a quarantine system not unlike the ones we're living under with COVID. Eventually, most of the unvaccinated population got vaccinated, and the epidemic abated. So, to recap, on a nation-wide level, parents stop vaccinating their kids for a disease that's easy to prevent with vaccines, said disease makes a HUGE comeback, and the crisis is solved by vaccinating those who neglected to get theirs beforehand. And all this happened less than a year ago. And I Would Like To Think This Was Only A Matter Of Chance.

And that's going to keep happening until the diseases are eradicated, and, alas, that's only happened with Smallpox and Rinderpest so far, although polio is on the brink of eradication (though it has been so for a while.) Or you can just keep spreading your bullshit and maybe, just maybe, enough people will listen to your horseshit that you’ll get to witness an outbreak of one of those diseases that are “no longer a threat.” If you’re really lucky, you’ll get to see a repeat of Samoa.

[The Valkyrie]

"Diseases have been drastically reduced because of vaccines so we don't need vaccines anymore!"

Yeah, measles was almost gone, so was whooping cough and polio. But they're all making a come back thanks to anti-vaxxers.

Empty words, empty reasoning.

[brewer]

Ever heard of tetnus?

Ye sure... Here is a graph showing the decline in tetnus cases and deaths. It is no longer a danger



The vaccine was introduced cos cases were high. Now its all but gone yet they still vaccinate against it. Why
Is it the health of our children the priority of big pharma or is it profit?

The disease occurs almost exclusively in persons inadequately immunized. It is more common in hot, damp climates with soil rich in organic matter. Manure-treated soils may contain spores, as they are widely distributed in the intestines and feces of many animals such as horses, sheep, cattle, dogs, cats, rats, guinea pigs, and chickens. In agricultural areas, a significant number of human adults may harbor the organism.

In addition to how rare it is I don't live in an area of hot, damp climate or in agricultural area

In 2017, a 6-year-old boy was playing on a farm in Oregon when he cut his forehead, according to the recently released case study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. His wound was cleaned and stitched up at home, but six days later he experienced muscle spasms, an arched neck and back, trouble breathing and a jaw that clenched so hard he could not open his mouth. Jaw-clenching is among the most common symptoms of tetanus, which is also called lockjaw.

That couldn't possibly happen to us as we would take the kid straight to a medic instead of trying to have it treated in an unsterilized setting

You should probably have your kids taken away from you.

Cos uv exposed a really high risk danger right... 
In reality it's cos u are afraid of your vaccine failing leading to being infected... 
But its not big pharmas fault for supplying a vaccine that failed... Nooo no no... Its anti vaxxers fault... 
Like seriously listen to yourselves

You either didn't read the links (which makes you slow or stupid) where it states that tetanus is "ubiquitous" (means is found everywhere) or your so self deluded about this that you refuse to believe medical facts. But you don't have to believe me or the internet, ask a physician there is OZ. I doubt that you do that because the response would shatter your world.

And it wouldn't have mattered if a "medic" cleaned the wound, the damage was done, bacteria is in the blood system.

The high risk danger is in your delusions. What kind of parent are you that could avoid this horror for yourself and/or your children but chose to deny and take the risk.

TROLL!

Edit: JFC, I found the website for your graph: http://outlawvaccinescience.weebly.com/

No wonder you didn't supply the source. You'll believe fucking anything that supports your ignorant position. No wonder you're a christian.

STUPID TROLL!

[Rev. Rye]

Technically, he's an "Agnostic with Christian values." But I'm guessing that mostly means he parrots whatever bullshit the right-wing propagandists of Australia (Rupert Murdoch, it seems, since he owns 76% of the circulating papers, and Australia's only cable provider) tell him.

[Agnostico]

"Diseases have been drastically reduced because of vaccines so we don't need vaccines anymore!"

Yeah, measles was almost gone, so was whooping cough and polio.  But they're all making a come back thanks to anti-vaxxers.

Empty words, empty reasoning.

Those vaccines were supposed to last a lifetime and failed thats why the vaxxed got reinfected 

Like one of you guys said 
"There is no vaccine to have confidence in. It doesn't exist. There is no such thing."

So i find it quite amazing how u guys  would still have confidence in big pharma even after seeing their vaccines fail and knowing you can't have confidence in any vaccine 
Do u guys honestly think your health is their number one priority, you think they seriously give a fuck about the health of your children
They are a businesses. And their number one goal is the same as every other business. Then u got their lobby groups that openly bribe the politicians to enact so much shit

Like why do they put aluminum and mercury into vaccines, they're know poisons, how do u justify that.
Have a look at all the shit they've been sued for. Their always in the courts and some of the shit they've been found guilty of is criminal

Most of medical research used to be spent on finding cures but it has shifted to vaccines. 
A person becomes unwell and goes to a doctor to get treated. Its been like this since the dawn of man

If they were sincere they would of put money into cures. But the money is so much bigger in vaccines, right. 
Why cure people when we can inoculate them with several annual vaccines. That should ensure the company's future for ever and make them rich

Their not talk about finding a cure. How many pharma companies are working on a cure for C19 or anything these days...
All we hear about are vaccines. Their all working on vaccines. The whole world is waiting for the C19 vaccine 
They could find cures if their efforts were more focused on it but vaccines is where the money is at. Like stop being naive, big pharma doesn't love u

50 years from now they will have vaccines for nearly everything maybe. 
Lets say they mandate vaccines for 500 diseases ranging from little stuff like the flu to extinct stuff and stuff that has cures

Vaccines for 500 diseases repeated annually from birth to death. 
You don't have confidence in any of them and you don't have confidence in the government. 
Would u still be ok with that?

Looking now, what a waste of time. No one is thinking about this objectively here. 
I mean u have no confidence in any vaccine yet u take it. So ur committed now till the end i guess

[Rev. Rye]

Um... no, they came back not because the vaccine failed, but because parents decided to stop vaccinating their kids and then they got it.

And the fact that you believe that the big bucks are in vaccines, the vast majority of which are taken once or maybe three times in one's lifetime, when there's money to be made in pills and drugs that people take DAILY, shows how little you understand pharmaceuticals.

Why are they looking for vaccines over cures?

And prevention is the whole fucking point of vaccines.

Some of us think you're a troll, Agnostico, but I'm starting to think differently. I think you're just the AI in a Turing Test of idiotic Anti-vaxxer arguments. I get the impression that any human being would have read: "There is no vaccine to have confidence in. It doesn't exist. There is no such thing." in that particular context as a reminder that the COVID-19 vaccine you're worrying about DOES NOT EXIST YET.

Or would have at least bothered to look at last year's measles outbreak in Samoa after I talked about it.

[Agnostico]

You either didn't read the links (which makes you slow or stupid) where it states that tetanus is "ubiquitous" (means is found everywhere) or your so self deluded about this that you refuse to believe medical facts. But you don't have to believe me or the internet, ask a physician there is OZ. I doubt that you do that because the response would shatter your world.

And it wouldn't have mattered if a "medic" cleaned the wound, the damage was done, bacteria is in the blood system.

The high risk danger is in your delusions. What kind of parent are you that could avoid this horror for yourself and/or your children but chose to deny and take the risk.

TROLL!

Edit: JFC, I found the website for your graph: http://outlawvaccinescience.weebly.com/

No wonder you didn't supply the source. You'll believe fucking anything that supports your ignorant position. No wonder you're a christian.

STUPID TROLL!

I know this is a touchy topic. Your only pissed off cos the vaccines are unreliable
My decision has nothing to do with u if your vaxxed

I didn't say tetnus was eliminated. I showed how it is a very low risk now
Im not sure what the federal statistics bureau is called in America but there is nothing stopping you from confirming that graph
Here are 3 links that confirm it

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-m...tanus.html
https://bbmicroproject.weebly.com/epidemiology.html
https://infograph.venngage.com/p/81279/tetanus

We have been thinking about this for quite a while for our kids now and we have spoken to several doctors
But i'll mention that after. First im hoping some one can see some reasoning in my last post

[brewer]

I know this is a touchy topic. Your only pissed off cos the vaccines are unreliable
My decision has nothing to do with u if your vaxxed

I didn't say tetnus was eliminated. I showed how it is a very low risk now
Im not sure what the federal statistics bureau is called in America but there is nothing stopping you from confirming that graph
Here are 3 links that confirm it

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-m...tanus.html
https://bbmicroproject.weebly.com/epidemiology.html
https://infograph.venngage.com/p/81279/tetanus

We have been thinking about this for quite a while for our kids now and we have spoken to several doctors
But i'll mention that after. First im hoping some one can see some reasoning in my last post

Jesus fucking muhammad, you don't even read (or can't understand) the information in your own links.

Spoken to what kind of doctor? Give the names/degrees.

I'm pissed because I'm a health care professional and you're a stupid idiot unnecessarily risking lives.

The weebly.com site states you can cure autism with homeopathy. This should alleviate all your vaccine worries.

IDIOT TROLL!

[The Valkyrie]

I know this is a touchy topic. Your only pissed off cos the vaccines are unreliable
My decision has nothing to do with u if your vaxxed

I didn't say tetnus was eliminated. I showed how it is a very low risk now
Im not sure what the federal statistics bureau is called in America but there is nothing stopping you from confirming that graph
Here are 3 links that confirm it

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-m...tanus.html
https://bbmicroproject.weebly.com/epidemiology.html
https://infograph.venngage.com/p/81279/tetanus

We have been thinking about this for quite a while for our kids now and we have spoken to several doctors
But i'll mention that after. First im hoping some one can see some reasoning in my last post

Jesus fucking muhammad, you don't even read (or can't understand) the information in your own links.

Spoken to what kind of doctor? Give the names/degrees.

I'm pissed because I'm a health care professional and you're a stupid idiot unnecessarily risking lives.

The weebly.com site states you can cure autism with homeopathy. This should alleviate all your vaccine worries.

IDIOT TROLL!

And to think some of us wasted all those years at medical school...