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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:38 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:29 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:26 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: But we are talking about what morality is contingent on, not god's existence, which is why I said it doesn't matter if he is a necessary being. So if morality is contingent on god's existence then your saying that god decides what is and isn't moral, it doesn't get more subjective than that.
God's moral values are intrinsically bound up in His necessary existence.
2 = 2 = 4 is intrinsically bound up in 2 = 2 = 4's necessary existence.
What are you having trouble understanding?
Does god decide what is moral?
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:42 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:38 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:29 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: God's moral values are intrinsically bound up in His necessary existence.
2 = 2 = 4 is intrinsically bound up in 2 = 2 = 4's necessary existence.
What are you having trouble understanding?
Does god decide what is moral?
He doesn't decide, no.
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:44 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:42 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:38 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Does god decide what is moral?
He doesn't decide, no.
Where do we get our morals from?
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:45 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:44 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:42 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: He doesn't decide, no.
Where do we get our morals from?
God.
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:46 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:45 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:44 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Where do we get our morals from?
God. Where does god get his morals from
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 10:51 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 10:46 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:45 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: God. Where does god get his morals from
His nature.
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 11:00 pm
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(June 6, 2020 at 10:51 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 10:46 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Where does god get his morals from
His nature.
So God can't decide what is moral and he gets his morals from himself and then gives them to us, that is as clear as mud. The problem with this is it still makes morality subjective because it depends on whatever god's nature is.
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 11:04 pm
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(June 6, 2020 at 11:00 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: So God can't decide what is moral
I don't know what you mean by He can't decide since I never wrote that. I said His morals don't come from a decision. Instead, they come from His very existence which is a necessary one.
Quote:he gets his morals from himself
Correct.
Quote:and then gives them to us
Correct.
Quote:that is as clear as mud.
How so? Seems crystal clear to me.
Quote:The problem with this is it still makes morality subjective because it depends on whatever god's nature is.
That's like saying 2 + 2 = 4 is subjective because 2 + 2 = 4 depends on its own existence. Obviously, that's a non-sequitur. Are you going to start arguing that 2 + 2 = 4 is subjective because it depends on its own existence?
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 11:20 pm
(June 6, 2020 at 8:03 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 9:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's not just our opinion that skullfucking our neighbor to death is bad
If God doesn't exist, then that would just be your opinion that may or may not be shared by the majority of people.
You need your God to tell you this is bad? 
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 6, 2020 at 11:21 pm
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(June 6, 2020 at 11:20 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: (June 6, 2020 at 8:03 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: If God doesn't exist, then that would just be your opinion that may or may not be shared by the majority of people.
You need your God to tell you this is bad?
I assume you're an atheist.
What you're asking is akin to me asking you, "You need your evolution to tell you this is bad? "
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