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Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
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Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
I found this talk interesting. I agree with parts of it... I'd like you to watch it and comment.
The crux is that we should embrace multi-racism but not necessarily multi-culturalism.
simple logic: We can accept/embrace all races, but not all cultures can/will embrace any/all other cultures.

Truthfully, as an Aussie, I've always though of the US as a country which is the definition of a multiracial country.
Half you guys have surnames I can't pronounce or spell, but you all see and acknowledge each other as Americans who are proud to be American.

Why then so much "racism" towards blacks? Are they not Americans? I really find it an irony for racist rednecks called eg:  Kowalski to treat a "Floyd" or a "Washington" as a second grade citizen? Is a not insignificant portion of proud Americans that shallow and uncivilized as tribalistic as any human being can be that the world really is only black or white to them?
I find that as a serious double standard. Just as much as your religious double standards. eg: will Christians of all color unite against a muslim threat?

I wonder which ideology cuts deeper?

Racist bigotry
Religious bigotry
Wealth status

Maybe all 3 of these "logical" layers are tribal to some degree and can never be removed Dunno
Maybe the only answer/compromise is to balance all 3, and not strive to eliminate them?




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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
(June 20, 2020 at 2:19 am)ignoramus Wrote: I found this talk interesting. I agree with parts of it... I'd like you to watch it and comment.
The crux is that we should embrace multi-racism but not necessarily multi-culturalism.
simple logic: We can accept/embrace all races, but not all cultures can/will embrace any/all other cultures.

Truthfully, as an Aussie, I've always though of the US as a country which is the definition of a multiracial country.
Half you guys have surnames I can't pronounce or spell, but you all see and acknowledge each other as Americans who are proud to be American.

Why then so much "racism" towards blacks? Are they not Americans? I really find it an irony for racist rednecks called eg:  Kowalski to treat a "Floyd" or a "Washington" as a second grade citizen? Is a not insignificant portion of proud Americans that shallow and uncivilized as tribalistic as any human being can be that the world really is only black or white to them?
I find that as a serious double standard. Just as much as your religious double standards. eg: will Christians of all color unite against a muslim threat?

I wonder which ideology cuts deeper?

Racist bigotry
Religious bigotry
Wealth status

Maybe all 3 of these "logical" layers are tribal to some degree and can never be removed Dunno
Maybe the only answer/compromise is to balance all 3, and not strive to eliminate them?




And who decides what cultures are worthy and how?
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
The hosting nation Dunno
I don't think anybody will agree that any hosting nation should sacrifice their culture for another for the sake of being PC.
If one does that, they lose their nation to others.

Didn't Gaddafi once say, we don't need to go to war with countries, we'll breed them out of existence.
The only difference between that and war is one is quick and one is slow.

The European colonialists did it the quick way. Maybe now, it's our culture's turn to die off slowly. Dunno
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
(June 20, 2020 at 3:05 am)ignoramus Wrote: The hosting nation Dunno
I don't think anybody will agree that any hosting nation should sacrifice their culture for another for the sake of being PC.
If one does that, they lose their nation to others.

Didn't Gaddafi once say, we don't need to go to war with countries, we'll breed them out of existence.
The only difference between that and war is one is quick and one is slow.

The European colonialists did it the quick way. Maybe now, it's our culture's turn to die off slowly. Dunno
Why ? why should we demand and or impose our culture ? When was a nation defined by one culture and who says that specific should be what everyone in  the country prefers ? 

Your second statement makes disturbing link between race and culture 

Your third presents a false comparison as immigration is not the same as colonization . One is a government expanding it's realm through conquest and subjection .The other are individuals moving to pre established nation .
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
I think that's the crux of the matter.
The distinction between race and culture.

Is it OK or even possible to be anti culture without involving the race card?
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
(June 20, 2020 at 4:02 am)ignoramus Wrote: I think that's the crux of the matter.
The distinction between race and culture.

Is it OK or even possible to be anti culture without involving the race card?
Really ? Id say i have more in common with an urban muslim then another native person living in the rural backwater of Alberta . Even within countries and between races in geological area cultures can be quite different .

I don't see why not ?
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
(June 20, 2020 at 4:02 am)ignoramus Wrote: I think that's the crux of the matter.
The distinction between race and culture.

Is it OK or even possible to be anti culture without involving the race card?

Of course it is.  I think one can safely abhor (for example) the cultural practices of FGM, child soldiers, apartheid, etc, irrespective of the race of people practicing them.

Boru
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
Boru, are those unsavoury practices cultural from the people or from the authorities/govt/dictators?

I s'pose the distinction becomes a little fuzzy when referring to theocracies because some things have been like that forever and have been accepted by the people. eg: hanging in the streets, cutting hands off, etc
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
(June 20, 2020 at 6:00 am)ignoramus Wrote: Boru, are those unsavoury practices cultural from the people or from the authorities/govt/dictators?

I s'pose the distinction becomes a little fuzzy when referring to theocracies because some things have been like that forever and have been accepted by the people. eg: hanging in the streets, cutting hands off, etc

From both, clearly. South Africa’s apartheid policies had widespread popular support among whites, just as Mugabe’s endorsement of forced seizure of white-owned farms did among blacks. I can comfortably reject both of these practices without fear of being labeled a racist. 

This applies to practices not restricted to specific countries as well. As I’ve mentioned here before, I’m against capital punishment, for any offense. But the death penalty exists today in countries that are predominantly black, or Asian, or white, or Semitic. I don’t feel at all constrained to support capital punishment in some cultures and reject it in others based on the racial characteristics of those countries’ populations. Thus, I can abjure a cultural practice (which capital punishment clearly is) irrespective of race.

Boru
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RE: Multiracism not Multiculturalism?
Ironically, part of what makes the US so good at cultural assimilation is buy-in to the american identity, which for most or all of our history has been based on the fiction of a white race.
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