Why are transgender people more likely to commit suicide?

[Rev. Rye]

If anti-discrimination laws were really all that comprehensive, then one would think that there wouldn't be a need to create a bunch of redundant laws to protect people who were already protected under existing laws. Or maybe, just maybe, the wording in the laws was ambiguous enough to create a loophole that needed to be closed with another law.

Then again, I've been told you're likely a sockpuppet of another banned user, so I'll try to not spend too much time on you.

[Cherub19]

If anti-discrimination laws were really all that comprehensive, then one would think that there wouldn't be a need to create a bunch of redundant laws to protect people who were already protected under existing laws.

Well, sir, that is precisely my point. In fact, I would go a step further and say that for all intents and purposes, transgenders, and by extension the entire LGBTQ movement, is hardly a discriminated against category. In terms of the prevailing social attitude, they are in fact celebrated, and considerably more popular than other groups which have historically and continue to be targets of discrimination, namely racial minorities (Blacks) and religious minorities (Muslims and Jews).

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Transgendered people don't understand who they are, and the media is either treating them as "handicapped children" or "a mistake and a shame that shouldn't exist".

Moreover; they increase the dose of depressive reality with taking hormones and drugs to change who they are.

Combine the two points above and you'll get a glimpse of why they kill themselves: they want to end it all and just let go.

I always ask myself: do trans people mutilate themselves because the surgeons said so or because the drugs said so or because the gap in their line of thoughts said so? Knowing that the "gap in the line of thoughts" resulted from the devastating media and faulty raising?

It's a very big issue.

I tend to agree with your remarks here. There is perhaps a combination of factors as you have mentioned. I maintain that whether it is a single or multiple factors, it is entirely internal to the transgender person and not external, that is, not a consequence of discrimination or even perceived discrimination. I am genuinely surprised why people speculate as to the reason for transgenders being much more likely to take their own lives than non-transgenders. A transgender person is by default someone that is emotionally distraught, psychologically damaged, and sexually dysfunctional. External discrimination does not come into the equation! Any expert on the psychology of gender dysphoria can confirm this without mincing words provided there wasn’t the atmosphere of political correctness that has the potential to negatively effect their career or employment. Now it is quite apparent that transgender suicide is a magnified example of suicide that is a consequence of the low self-esteem and body image issues, which incidentally effects another demographic (teenage girls). The difference is that many teenage girls eventually overcome their struggle as they mature, though there are always those tragic cases of some teenage girl who hung herself that we hear about occasionally in the news. But for transgenders, this is a lifelong struggle with body image and low self-esteem. Just as no one would argue teenage girls are a discriminated against category of people and that is the reason for those instances of teenage girls committed suicide, likewise, why should we conclude that discrimination is the primary factor for transgender suicides. Let alone being a primary factor, discrimination isn’t a factor at all.

[Cherub19]

Or maybe, just maybe, the wording in the laws was ambiguous enough to create a loophole that needed to be closed with another law.

As I understand it, the method of closing a loophole in a piece of legislation is to amend it, not legislate another law. The call to add specific anti-discrimination laws vis-a-vis transgenders is to pile up the law books with redundancies and superfluous material. At any rate, I would genuinely like to know what these alleged loopholes are that permit employers to discriminate against transgenders.

[arewethereyet]

Or maybe, just maybe, the wording in the laws was ambiguous enough to create a loophole that needed to be closed with another law.

As I understand it, the method of closing a loophole in a piece of legislation is to amend it, not legislate another law. The call to add specific anti-discrimination laws vis-a-vis transgenders is to pile up the law books with redundancies and superfluous material. At any rate, I would genuinely like to know what these alleged loopholes are that permit employers to discriminate against transgenders.

There is nothing genuine about you.

Nice try though.

[The Architect Of Fate]

As I understand it, the method of closing a loophole in a piece of legislation is to amend it, not legislate another law. The call to add specific anti-discrimination laws vis-a-vis transgenders is to pile up the law books with redundancies and superfluous material. At any rate, I would genuinely like to know what these alleged loopholes are that permit employers to discriminate against transgenders.

There is nothing genuine about you.

Nice try though.

Considering he's sock you are right

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.


Well, the demonstrated fact that we have spunk swizzlers like our new freind Cherub here posting would seem an indictment for why transgendered people seek to drop off the twig.

[Cherub19]

Or maybe, just maybe, the wording in the laws was ambiguous enough to create a loophole that needed to be closed with another law.

Now let me explore this suggestion of yours further regarding the alleged loopholes in the original anti-discrimination legislation as it pertains to employment. I suspect the objection that resulted in new, specific legislation to protect transgenders, relates to the principle of reasonable accommodation. The simple fact is certain employers in certain sectors, particularly the service sector, are justified in not hiring certain individuals who happen to be transgender, as it is going beyond reasonable accommodation. The point that we have to carefully and emphatically note here is that this alleged “discrimination” if it is indeed discrimination, is not motivated by malice or bigotry to transgenders, but the interest of the business or employer of not having to suffer damages in accommodating an employee beyond what is reasonable. The issue boils down to what is reasonable and what is not as it pertains to having to employ a transgender individual. This is highly dependent on the specific job requirements and the nature of the employment. It is well known that employers suffer damages if in certain services they employ a transgender employee that negatively effects and drives away clientele.

Those who have raised the loudest voice in this regard are what transgender activists derisively term TERFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists). This large trend within the broader feminist movement is extremely concerned with the protection of women and girls from predatory behavior, and in maintaining women’s privacy and comfort as it relates to the workplace. I shall, God willing, further explore this matter after conducting more research on it. 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Sock begone 

[Rev. Rye]

And the only reason he gave for it being reasonable to refuse to hire trans individuals is that knowing they hire Them could cost them business. And I can’t help but notice that this is the exact argument that Thack used when trying to justify refusing to hire Algernon Edwards as chief surgeon in the first episode of The Knick. And for context, Thack rejected Edwards for racist reasons (although at least part of it was because he wanted the job as well, although it was the racist points that he used to justify himself), and he got away with it because it was set in 1901. Sadly, I can’t find a clip of the scene where he argues with Miss Robertson about it and she argues how bullshit his justifications are and he can only reply “please find yourself another hobby.”

Also, some unsubstantiated crap about trans people being inherently predatory.

[The Architect Of Fate]

And the only reason he gave for it being reasonable to refuse to hire trans individuals is that knowing they hire Them could cost them business. And I can’t help but notice that this is the exact argument that Thack used when trying to justify refusing to hire Algernon Edwards as chief surgeon in the first episode of The Knick. And for context, Thack rejected Edwards for racist reasons (although at least part of it was because he wanted the job as well, although it was the racist points that he used to justify himself), and he got away with it because it was set in 1901. Sadly, I can’t find a clip of the scene where he argues with Miss Robertson about it and she argues how bullshit his justifications are and he can only reply “please find yourself another hobby.”

Also, some unsubstantiated crap about trans people being inherently predatory.

Indeed nothing of value was lost