Freeing guilty criminals at Passover?

[Ranjr]

It's called facetiousness, Brian. I don't think Ranjr meant it is a historical fact that the Jews killed Jesus.

At least that's how I interpreted the statement. Perhaps not.

Anyhow, I don't like these confident claims like "Jesus never existed". We don't really know. And scholars who study the NT for a living mostly reckon there was some Jesus.

Thanks.  The statement was a comment on literature, because the NT is written as such.  Whether it centers on a historical Jesus is open to debate and reasonably questionable.  Some scholars make strong argument for Jesus as myth.  I agree there is no way to know or reason to be certain.  

If I point out that it was Hawkeye, not the Huron, who kills Major Heyward, there is no need to point out that Last of the Mohicans was just a movie.  Although it's worth pointing out he doesn't die at all in the novel.  I hope that comment adds confusion to the discussion, since it's unavoidable.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Re-stating the same stupid thing you said earlier doesn’t make it less stupid. And before you snap like an opera singer’s truss, what you said wasn’t stupid because it was wrong (it wasn’t) - it was stupid because you didn’t understand the comment to which you were replying.

Boru

Christianity WAS most certainly inspired by a prior religion. What did not happen was all the fantastic claims the NT MAKES, much less the fantastic claims of of the religion they spun off of.

There is no evidence that a man claimed WAY AFTER THE FACT that the bible claims that the NT claims existed. And it most certainly would never prove that there is a magic baby born without a second set of DNA who magically survived having all the blood drained out of his body in an act of execution. 

Again, the Jesus myth exists, solely because humans got tired of the old mythology and were looking to market a new super hero to save them in their time.

Saying it three times is the same as saying it twice. You still can’t grasp that you misunderstood what Ranjr was saying. It’s as if I say, ‘According to Genesis, Eve ate forbidden fruit’ and you tell me that the Garden of Eden never existed.

Pay attention to what people say before you reply to them.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Anyhow, I don't like these confident claims like "Jesus never existed". We don't really know. And scholars who study the NT for a living mostly reckon there was some Jesus.

We do know, and we can say with confidence that the character in the nt was never a flesh and blood man.  Not even the people who think there was some "real jesus" think you can find him in the nt. The nt is about a christ, not a man named jesus.

The only thing that nt scholars agree on about jesus, is that he existed. They don't agree on any of the details of his hypothetical life, and the only details which are considered are based on the criteria of embarrassment, and the criteria of probability. We imagine what a regular joe in 30ad would have been like, and then we imagine what stories would embarass that regular 30ad joe, and there's our historic jesus candidate. There are many. Apply this to any other myth, see if you're content with the results of historic thor.

[Pat Mustard]

Even if Jesus did exist, if he was crucified, it would have to be by the Romans. Everything I know about Judaism and the death penalty points against the Jews as the culprit, because A) they had four sanctioned methods of execution: stoning, burning, beheading, and strangulation (you’ll notice that crucifixion does not fall into any of these categories), and B) In death penalty cases, the burden of proof was so absurdly high (one prerequisite for execution was that there had to be at least two witnesses, non-related males known to keep the commandments and familiar with the law, both had To separately inform the defendant that what he was about to do was a capital offense, and the defendant had to say that he was familiar with the law, announce that they were going to sin anyway and start to do it, all within the time it took to say “peace unto you my rabbi and my master”) and the procedure so convoluted (falling just short of being so contradictory that it was logically impossible to convict) that there was considered something seriously wrong with a Court that had done it twice in a span of anywhere between ten and seventy years.

Which raises more problems for the godbotherers. Because, at least as written in the gospels, Yeshua bar Yosef did nothing to give the Romans cause to crucify him. Instead, with multiple instances of stuff like "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", if he was as prominent as portrayed, it was in their interests to make sure he lived, even manoeuvring him into positions of prominence.

The gospel stories are senseless ni matter what direction you come at them from.

[Rev. Rye]

Of course, if you treat the gospel accounts as being specifically skewed to try and curry favour with the Romans while denigrating the Jewish community from whence it sprang (helpfully skewed in such a way that even when the many inaccuracies pop up, the reader can’t readily fact-check), it does make more sense.

Of course, there’s also the possibility, raised by the Jesus Seminar, that the crucifixion was less because of his pissing off the Sanhedrin and more due to this little outburst a few days prior:




I’m not sure how precedented crucifying a guy for disorderly conduct was in the days of Tiberius (though given that it was the Temple, a major site in a region rife with resistance groups, this might have been the first century equivalent of picking fights at a Vichy/Nazi rally in Occupied France), but it at least makes more sense than taking the Gospel accounts at face value and expecting them to line up with the historical record.

[Fake Messiah]

And it is shocking how many people are duped into believing that fairytales from the Bible really happened. Like the atheist Louis Theroux who is here talking to a christian who is telling him how "Jews killed Jesus" and Louis first says "It was the Romans who crucified him", but then the christian insists "It was Jews who called for it." to which Louis says something like "Well, it was a Jewish country so some Jews were involved." No, Louis, Jews didn't have anything to do with it. It's made up. There was not Jewish custom where Jews pick Barabbas at Passover.

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