Let’s take their guns

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And, just for the record, the odds of a given burglar being unarmed are a Hell of a lot higher than you might think. Of the 3.7 million burglaries reported in the US in a given year, only 7% actually used violence, and of that 7%, only 12% Actually had a firearm (roughly 6/7 of a percent.) So, if you actually have a gun in an easier access location (which, of course, has numerous problems of its own), my scenario might actually work.

I'd refer you to my neighbor who got hammer to his head, but he doesn't make good sentences any more.

But you did give a good bit of information for the "guns are safe or needed" side. Thanks.

AND when would you lock your gun up? When you weren't home? When you were home but not in the same room with the gun? When you have your back to spot where the gun is?

[Sal]

What, we don't have a crowd here that says how gun is just a tool, you know like a spoon? That it depends on its user if it's going to be used for bad or good.

Ohhh. Noooo...

Everybody knows that scary black guns make sane people into killing machines!

They're EEEVVVIILLL!

Oh? You disagree with old slogan & deflection "guns don't kill people. People kill people"?

Well, welcome to the dark side /s

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All this is pointless anyways.

In the same way that despite it being illegal to drive under the influence, people still get into a car wasted and drive off, and get an impromptu flying lesson along with whoever poor smuck was unfortunate enough to go for an evening walk; it has for all the laws and regulations of gun ownership and acquisition. Assholes will obtain guns, one way or another, regardless.

Dancing around this is missing the point about the situation surrounding guns and their use, which IMO is the unhealthy fetishism

In the end of the day, guns are a tool for assault/defense as well as hunting game and just all-round maiming & killing stuff, from paper silhouettes to people.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ohhh. Noooo...

Everybody knows that scary black guns make sane people into killing machines!

They're EEEVVVIILLL!

Oh? You disagree with old slogan & deflection "guns don't kill people. People kill people"?

Well, welcome to the dark side /s

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All this is pointless anyways.

In the same way that despite it being illegal to drive under the influence, people still get into a car wasted and drive off, and get an impromptu flying lesson along with whoever poor smuck was unfortunate enough to go for an evening walk; it has for all the laws and regulations of gun ownership and acquisition. Assholes will obtain guns, one way or another, regardless.

Dancing around this is missing the point about the situation surrounding guns and their use, which IMO is the unhealthy fetishism

In the end of the day, guns are a tool for assault/defense as well as hunting game and just all-round maiming & killing stuff, from paper silhouettes to people.

It’s perfectly possible for a country to be awash with guns and have extremely low levels of gun crime and gun accidents. I agree that it isn’t so much the guns themselves as it is how gun ownership is viewed.

When you enshrine gun ownership as a right, you inexorably foster a higher level of gun tragedy than when you have a culture that views gun ownership as a privilege that can be taken away.

Boru

[Sal]

Oh? You disagree with old slogan & deflection "guns don't kill people. People kill people"?

Well, welcome to the dark side /s

---

All this is pointless anyways.

In the same way that despite it being illegal to drive under the influence, people still get into a car wasted and drive off, and get an impromptu flying lesson along with whoever poor smuck was unfortunate enough to go for an evening walk; it has for all the laws and regulations of gun ownership and acquisition. Assholes will obtain guns, one way or another, regardless.

Dancing around this is missing the point about the situation surrounding guns and their use, which IMO is the unhealthy fetishism

In the end of the day, guns are a tool for assault/defense as well as hunting game and just all-round maiming & killing stuff, from paper silhouettes to people.

It’s perfectly possible for a country to be awash with guns and have extremely low levels of gun crime and gun accidents. I agree that it isn’t so much the guns themselves as it is how gun ownership is viewed.

When you enshrine gun ownership as a right, you inexorably foster a higher level of gun tragedy than when you have a culture that views gun ownership as a privilege that can be taken away.

Boru

That's interesting.

Here, we got loads of shotguns and rifles, and not until a few years ago - not even a decade ago - did we get competence & "background check" requirements, that didn't exist beforehand. It used to be only a requirement, for buying a shotgun or rifle, was to merely have reached the age of 18, and a silly required pamphlet and manual with it. I honestly don't know what changed, probably some Danish law change that was dumped on the Faroese government, but anyways, the point is that the change in the readily availability of shotguns and rifles here got another tier of competence check before you could walk out of the shop with a gun. How people considered guns here remained, largely, unchanged.

I'm confident in saying that here we view guns, particularly shotguns and rifles, as tools to shoot game (mostly hares and birds). Of course we know that some asshole, even when passing the check at the shop or just buying it on the illegal market, can easily get one and use it maliciously, I just doesn't happen that often - probably because guns are viewed the way they are here, as tools and nothing more. I don't think anyone here, to my knowledge, views the availability of guns as either a right or a privilege, that's a view I haven't considered before. To me, personally, I just see guns as nifty ways to secure dinner; that can be, like any other tool, be used maliciously as well, but that is the same with any tool, knives, hammers, saws, screwdrivers, etc.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It’s perfectly possible for a country to be awash with guns and have extremely low levels of gun crime and gun accidents. I agree that it isn’t so much the guns themselves as it is how gun ownership is viewed.

When you enshrine gun ownership as a right, you inexorably foster a higher level of gun tragedy than when you have a culture that views gun ownership as a privilege that can be taken away.

Boru

That's interesting.

Here, we got loads of shotguns and rifles, and not until a few years ago - not even a decade ago - did we get competence & "background check" requirements, that didn't exist beforehand. It used to be only a requirement, for buying a shotgun or rifle, was to merely have reached the age of 18, and a silly required pamphlet and manual with it. I honestly don't know what changed, probably some Danish law change that was dumped on the Faroese government, but anyways, the point is that the change in the readily availability of shotguns and rifles here got another tier of competence check before you could walk out of the shop with a gun. How people considered guns here remained, largely, unchanged.

I'm confident in saying that here we view guns, particularly shotguns and rifles, as tools to shoot game (mostly hares and birds). Of course we know that some asshole, even when passing the check at the shop or just buying it on the illegal market, can easily get one and use it maliciously, I just doesn't happen that often - probably because guns are viewed the way they are here, as tools and nothing more. I don't think anyone here, to my knowledge, views the availability of guns as either a right or a privilege, that's a view I haven't considered before. To me, personally, I just see guns as nifty ways to secure dinner; that can be, like any other tool, be used maliciously as well, but that is the same with any tool, knives, hammers, saws, screwdrivers, etc.

Here (New Zealand), the ownership and use of firearms is absolutely a privilege. After jumping through all manner of regulatory hoops to get your gun license, it can still be suspended or revoked for things like transporting a loaded gun or failing to secure it properly in your home.

That said, NZ ranks fairly high in gun ownership (about 20th), license revocations are unusual enough to be newsworthy, and we have extremely low rates of gun injuries, gun deaths, and gun crime. Why? Because the culture here is one of responsibility and safety, and we never developed the paranoiac American notion that without guns, we are are at the mercy of our government. 

Boru

[Sal]

That's interesting.

Here, we got loads of shotguns and rifles, and not until a few years ago - not even a decade ago - did we get competence & "background check" requirements, that didn't exist beforehand. It used to be only a requirement, for buying a shotgun or rifle, was to merely have reached the age of 18, and a silly required pamphlet and manual with it. I honestly don't know what changed, probably some Danish law change that was dumped on the Faroese government, but anyways, the point is that the change in the readily availability of shotguns and rifles here got another tier of competence check before you could walk out of the shop with a gun. How people considered guns here remained, largely, unchanged.

I'm confident in saying that here we view guns, particularly shotguns and rifles, as tools to shoot game (mostly hares and birds). Of course we know that some asshole, even when passing the check at the shop or just buying it on the illegal market, can easily get one and use it maliciously, I just doesn't happen that often - probably because guns are viewed the way they are here, as tools and nothing more. I don't think anyone here, to my knowledge, views the availability of guns as either a right or a privilege, that's a view I haven't considered before. To me, personally, I just see guns as nifty ways to secure dinner; that can be, like any other tool, be used maliciously as well, but that is the same with any tool, knives, hammers, saws, screwdrivers, etc.

Here (New Zealand), the ownership and use of firearms is absolutely a privilege. After jumping through all manner of regulatory hoops to get your gun license, it can still be suspended or revoked for things like transporting a loaded gun or failing to secure it properly in your home.

That said, NZ ranks fairly high in gun ownership (about 20th), license revocations are unusual enough to be newsworthy, and we have extremely low rates of gun injuries, gun deaths, and gun crime. Why? Because the culture here is one of responsibility and safety, and we never developed the paranoiac American notion that without guns, we are are at the mercy of our government. 

Boru

It's considerably lax here. I wouldn't mind it being viewed as a privilege that could be yanked away at a moments notice, but I just don't see why that would be necessary in my locality. Maybe if the culture glorified guns or simply looked at guns as more than a tool, my opinion would also be different, but whatever.

[onlinebiker]

Quote Boru

we never developed the paranoiac American notion that without guns, we are are at the mercy of our government. 



That is not a developed paranoia - it is a study of history.

Look at every dictatorial country that ever was - and you see a pattern. Before things really got shitty - the powers that be disarmed the serfs. This predates guns by thousands of years.


When the last country on earth outlaws the private ownership of weapons (it won't just be guns) it'll be a very bad time to be a peon....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Let's look at the history of the US. You keep saying "We're not your country."

[onlinebiker]

Let's look at the history of the US. You keep saying "We're not your country."

Fine.

Historically - why are more people coming here than leaving?

Where are the masses of people fleeing all the gun violence?

South Americans with only a few bucks to their names seem to be able to leave their country and try to come here.

Why is that?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Not the point. I get that we're the best country on the planet, but that just means we can't be compared to the others.