Preying on the predators

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Kill off enough coyotes and then you’ll have some other livestock predator to contend with. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Boru

I don't have enough time or ammo. Very few hunt them here. That's why there are so many - too many....

Lol, I didn’t mean you personally.

Coyotes are a livestock predation problem primarily because of the overhunting of wolves. If coyotes are hunted to the same extent, another predator will come along to fill that niche.

That said, I have no issues with killing coyotes - they’re a pest predator and managing the population is a good thing. I’m essentially a selfish person - I can get behind killing the animals that kill the animals I eat.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

I have a bait pile of 2 deer carcasses out.

I'm going to sit in my blind tonight with a spotlight equipped  AR15 and a night vision scope and bore holes in a coyote.

They're getting thick around here.

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Yes, because using a weapon of war capable of spraying while using scent to trick animals to come in to range takes so much more skill than a single shot 22 rifle.

Easy to play darts when you are two inches from the board.

But lets talk about switches and triggers shall we? 

Before you once again stupidly claim I am against hunting, let me state again, I AM NOT. But don't act like you need an AR15 or claim it is a sport.

Humans were hunting animal meat long before the first guns existed. Needing food 100,000 or 200,000 years ago existed, and yes, humans eat other animals like other mammals and fish. And they survived and thrived and still ate meat without weapons of war. 

Color me unimpressed. I eat beef, I eat pork, I have had deer, and dove and croc. But I don't feel the need to brag about fooling myself into thinking killing life that does not have an equal shot to defend itself is some thing to brag about. 

Life eats other life, yes. But humans are ourselves the most dangerous invasive species on the planet when it comes to valuing our own survival. How about you worry less about your ego, and weapons, and simply admit, hunting can be a cheaper way to find food without bragging about it?

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I have a bait pile of 2 deer carcasses out.

I'm going to sit in my blind tonight with a spotlight equipped  AR15 and a night vision scope and bore holes in a coyote.

They're getting thick around here.

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A couple weeks ago you bragged about deer season opening.

So how exactly are the Coyotes wrong for wanting to find food themselves?

Neither the deer or the Coyote had access to an AR15.

bold mind
I could be wrong but I don't think OLB is hunting coyotes to serve at his next BBQ.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Animals are killed for three reasons, or a combination of the three:

1. It’s fun.

2. They’re tasty.

3. They’re pests.

OLB’s reasons fall into categories 2 and 3. I’m ok with that. 

Boru

[arewethereyet]

Animals are killed for three reasons, or a combination of the three:

1. It’s fun.


2. They’re tasty.

3. They’re pests.

OLB’s reasons fall into categories 2 and 3. I ok with that. 

Boru

I still don't think he's hunting coyotes to make burgers.  The Irrational One seems to have missed that concept.

[onlinebiker]

bold mind
I could be wrong but I don't think OLB is hunting coyotes to serve at his next BBQ.

You're not wrong.

When I serve hot dogs at the BBQ - they are not missing neighborhood pets.


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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Animals are killed for three reasons, or a combination of the three:

1. It’s fun.


2. They’re tasty.

3. They’re pests.

OLB’s reasons fall into categories 2 and 3. I ok with that. 

Boru

I still don't think he's hunting coyotes to make burgers.  The Irrational One seems to have missed that concept.

Oh, I agree. Coyotes are an economic pest as well as a danger to humans. Killing them isn’t the moral crisis Brian seems to think it is.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

And Brian.

An AR15 is not a "Weapon of War" any more than an M1 Garand - less so in fact - because this is a SEMI AUTOMATIC chambered in .223 Remington not 5.56 NATO. 

It just LOOKS like one.

The Garand was once a standard issue military rifle that is now obsolete. The AR-15 was not a standard issue rifle - although the Coast Guard did use itwhile I was in. Full auto for civilian law enforcement - especially on a ship where ricochets were a very real hazard - was frowned upon by the DOT. (YES - Dept of Transportation)

We use the AR15 because it cannot be beat in terms of reliability and accuracy - for the money.


And.

I don't hunt for "sport". It is a stupid idea. Period.

Never have. Never will.

[arewethereyet]

I no longer have a cat that's allowed outside because of the coyotes here. My dogs are only let out in our fenced backyard. But I still worry because now and then there are canine disease outbreaks around here that are spread by the damn coyotes. That's why I am so careful about having my dogs vaccinated...in fact, Quinn has to go to the vet tomorrow for his Lepto shot.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Even being in town we have coyotes that come into the neighborhoods.  I lost two cats to them and possibly a third but am not sure.  

My husband has seen coyotes downtown on his way to work early in the morning.

The first coyote I saw in Missouri was in downtown St. Louis, 7th and Broadway. The mutt was dumpster diving behind the Broadway Oyster Bar, diggin' for cajun food.

[The Architect Of Fate]

It's called competition......

No, it's not 

Farmers got sick of feeding thevwolves with their livestock.

And whose fault is that?

That any human cares that wolves survive simply shows our capacity for empathy.

Considering were the ones that almost wiped them out for being a " pest " the fact were the ones who drove them to eat livestock in the first place. I beg the differ. Also Wolves are totally capable of empathy

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/...n-science/

https://www.thedodo.com/do-wolves-and-co...36581.html

Trust me - if the wolves figured out a way to anhilate us - we would be gone faster than the dodo.....

Considering wolves have raised humans and their evidence to suggest that wolves were the ones who started the process of there own domestication. This seems unlikely.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/...ves-human/

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Oh, I agree. Coyotes are an economic pest as well as a danger to humans. Killing them isn’t the moral crisis Brian seems to think it is.

Boru

Coyotes have adapted behaviors to survive in a human-dominated world. If we don't like those behaviors we should reflect on how we do things. Not blame them for adapting.