Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[The Grand Nudger]

Considering the schizophrenic worldview currently advocated by the people he's in bed with, it's not surprising if he doesn't know that the answer to his question - of why the vaccine is free but healthcare is not..is "your buddies". You don't need brain damage for that - just the regular old bullshitting that goes on all day every day. Exemplified in present, for example, by the propagandists bragging at home about being instrumental in getting money for their communities that they voted against.

In short, he's a mascot for political christianity. This goes with the territory, it's not a bug or a defect - it's a feature.

[Irreligious Atheist]

This happened a few days ago. Arguing that everybody's going to get COVID and the vaccine's not going to stop that, and citing an article where Dr. Fauci points out that vaccination is actually a huge help in ensuring that those who undergo it and are infected have a comparatively mild case, and whose headline states (in literal big bold fucking letters) "The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says, but vaccinated people will still fare better"

The John Campbell video you shared less than a day ago is also a good example. You posted it to show that the spread of omicron is reducing ICU admissions, but neglected to mention that this data held for the UK, but not the US, something which I barely had to scroll down and see in the description. I clicked the link to the YouTube page on my iPad, and once I hid the other tabs in my browser, that important caveat was right fucking there.

I notice @Irreligious Atheist has, so far, failed to address this post. I can’t tell if she has genuine difficulty making sense of the information she comes across, or if she’s just a liar for the opposition.

How did I lie? I never claimed that Fauci said it's not better to get the vaccine even if you're going to get Omicron afterward, so that addresses your first concern. And second, I posted a video about intensive care admissions being down and that was a stand alone post. I did not claim I was only talking about the United States. You do know there is more to the world than the United States, right?

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Oh, that’s my bad. Apologies for the misgender, @Irreligious Atheist

No need to apologize. Gender is a social construct and I will gladly go by he, she, they or it on the forum. I think people are just having a little fun because they don't like some of my posts about trans sports so they call me she, but you have my blessing to use the pronouns of your choosing.

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I notice @Irreligious Atheist has, so far, failed address this post. I can’t tell if she has genuine difficulty making sense of the information she comes across, or if she’s just a liar for the opposition.

Just for the record, as far as I can tell, (partly from this post, and partly from the fact that he says so in his profile), IA identifies as male. I know the fact that his avatar is of Grace VanderWaal and his previous avatar was someone I'm 95% sure was from a woman in a video game can confuse this point (granted, I'm aware that the man in my avatar blends into the shadows in a way his lady friend doesn't, but you'll have to take that up with Edward Hopper), but that doesn't mean he's not a dude.

That said, I'd like to see him actually address that point and not derail this discussion into "what was on Hunter Biden's laptop?" Frankly, I don't give a shit about it, and, more importantly, even if I did, it has fuck-all to do with the pandemic, which, IIRC, is the point of this whole fucking thread.

My previous avatar was also Grace VanderWaal, and it's not a sexual thing like AWTY assumes. I've never fapped to Grace. Grace is an alpha female, my spirit animal and my favourite singer.

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I notice @Irreligious Atheist has, so far, failed address this post. I can’t tell if she has genuine difficulty making sense of the information she comes across, or if she’s just a liar for the opposition.

Just for the record, as far as I can tell, (partly from this post, and partly from the fact that he says so in his profile), IA identifies as male. I know the fact that his avatar is of Grace VanderWaal and his previous avatar was someone I'm 95% sure was from a woman in a video game can confuse this point (granted, I'm aware that the man in my avatar blends into the shadows in a way his lady friend doesn't, but you'll have to take that up with Edward Hopper), but that doesn't mean he's not a dude.

That said, I'd like to see him actually address that point and not derail this discussion into "what was on Hunter Biden's laptop?" Frankly, I don't give a shit about it, and, more importantly, even if I did, it has fuck-all to do with the pandemic, which, IIRC, is the point of this whole fucking thread.

The Russiagate hoax has everything to do with this, and is entirely on topic. Canadian state tv is currently completely fabricating claims about Russians and the truck protests, just like former intelligence officials in the US completely fabricated claims about the Hunter Biden story to interfere in the election on future President Joe Biden's behalf. The Russiagate hoax is relevant when media is trying to use it to smear our movement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19...nfo-430276

[The Grand Nudger]

What movement would that be IA?

[Irreligious Atheist]

What movement would that be IA?

You tell me. How did you phrase it before? Anti-vaxx separatists lol. You can just continue going with that, because you're going to go with it anyhow.

[Rev. Rye]

I notice @Irreligious Atheist has, so far, failed to address this post. I can’t tell if she has genuine difficulty making sense of the information she comes across, or if she’s just a liar for the opposition.

How did I lie? I never claimed that Fauci said it's not better to get the vaccine even if you're going to get Omicron afterward, so that addresses your first concern. And second, I posted a video about intensive care admissions being down and that was a stand alone post. I did not claim I was only talking about the United States. You do know there is more to the world than the United States, right?

You used this quote of his to claim that it’s better to get the virus naturally than try to get vaccinated (and generally pushing the same talking points as many anti-Vaxxers), and you seemed to not read the part (of the headline) where he specifically said that the vaccinated will still be better off. So, I’m going to assume this is IA admitting he legit has trouble making sense of the information you come across. 

And, while its true that there is more to the world than the US and UK, the facts don’t seem to support the claim worldwide either, and while I can’t find info on daily ICU visits from COVID, I can find daily deaths from COVID worldwide, and, at the moment, as omicron rises, so have the death tolls from COVID worldwide.

[The Grand Nudger]

You identify enough with some movement to express ownership over it and consider yourself among whatever community the collective our refers to. If that's anti vax white separatism...so be it? It's weird that you'd be that invested, and think it was worth ranting about - but not at all confident in telling anyone just what movement the media is supposed to be smearing by reporting on russian interference and agitation.

[Rev. Rye]

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Just for the record, as far as I can tell, (partly from this post, and partly from the fact that he says so in his profile), IA identifies as male. I know the fact that his avatar is of Grace VanderWaal and his previous avatar was someone I'm 95% sure was from a woman in a video game can confuse this point (granted, I'm aware that the man in my avatar blends into the shadows in a way his lady friend doesn't, but you'll have to take that up with Edward Hopper), but that doesn't mean he's not a dude.

That said, I'd like to see him actually address that point and not derail this discussion into "what was on Hunter Biden's laptop?" Frankly, I don't give a shit about it, and, more importantly, even if I did, it has fuck-all to do with the pandemic, which, IIRC, is the point of this whole fucking thread.

The Russiagate hoax has everything to do with this, and is entirely on topic. Canadian state tv is currently completely fabricating claims about Russians and the truck protests, just like former intelligence officials in the US completely fabricated claims about the Hunter Biden story to interfere in the election on future President Joe Biden's behalf. The Russiagate hoax is relevant when media is trying to use it to smear our movement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19...nfo-430276

If it is truly on topic, then make comparisons with the two claims, with evidence that supports that comparison, and do what you can to not lose sight of the original point of the thread. And “They have been shown to have done a bad thing in the past, therefore this similar bad thing must be from then”without supporting evidence is not good rhetoric.

Also, how much of a comparison between Russiagate and the CBC’s claim that the Kremlin is behind the trucker protests, especially when the former is still believed, and the CBC walked back that claim after a few days? That’s not a rhetorical question, by the by?

[The Grand Nudger]

It's a legit covid conspiracy, straight from the horses mouth. How could it not be relevant to the thread?

[Irreligious Atheist]

How did I lie? I never claimed that Fauci said it's not better to get the vaccine even if you're going to get Omicron afterward, so that addresses your first concern. And second, I posted a video about intensive care admissions being down and that was a stand alone post. I did not claim I was only talking about the United States. You do know there is more to the world than the United States, right?

You used this quote of his to claim that it’s better to get the virus naturally than try to get vaccinated (and generally pushing the same talking points as many anti-Vaxxers), and you seemed to not read the part (of the headline) where he specifically said that the vaccinated will still be better off. So, I’m going to assume this is IA admitting he legit has trouble making sense of the information you come across. 

And, while its true that there is more to the world than the US and UK, the facts don’t seem to support the claim worldwide either, and while I can’t find info on daily ICU visits from COVID, I can find daily deaths from COVID worldwide, and, at the moment, as omicron rises, so have the death tolls from COVID worldwide.

I did not say adults should not get vaccinated, and I've admitted multiple times that getting the vaccine gives you better protection than not. Do I need to put it in my signature to remind people that I've already said that over and over and that this is not a claim I'm disputing?

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The Russiagate hoax has everything to do with this, and is entirely on topic. Canadian state tv is currently completely fabricating claims about Russians and the truck protests, just like former intelligence officials in the US completely fabricated claims about the Hunter Biden story to interfere in the election on future President Joe Biden's behalf. The Russiagate hoax is relevant when media is trying to use it to smear our movement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19...nfo-430276

If it is truly on topic, then make comparisons with the two claims, with evidence that supports that comparison, and do what you can to not lose sight of the original point of the thread. And “They have been shown to have done a bad thing in the past, therefore this similar bad thing must be from then”without supporting evidence is not good rhetoric.

Also, how much of a comparison between Russiagate and the CBC’s claim that the Kremlin is behind the trucker protests, especially when the former is still believed, and the CBC walked back that claim after a few days? That’s not a rhetorical question, by the by?

The burden of proof is on the mainstream to prove their wild Russian conspiracy theories and provide evidence for said conspiracy theories. Not on me. I don't have to prove a negative. When the mainstream keeps lying over and over about Russia and the intelligence community keeps lying to you about Russia, your default position should probably be to be highly skeptical of anything they say, and to require evidence before buying into their wild conspiracy theories, don't you think? And them walking back the claim does not prove at all that it wasn't a wild conspiracy Canadian state tv threw out there with zero evidence to smear an entire movement. You know very well that a lie gets halfway around the world before the true gets a chance to get its' pants on, right? And far less people usually see the correction than see the original claim. You know these things. Stop covering for government funded media that is throwing shit at the wall with zero evidence.

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps you should read the senate report on the russian campaign, then? If anything, your tying that to this is devastating to your charge of conspiracy against your movement, whatever it is.