Bible talked in circles at start

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Actually, the Bible WAS written by people who spoke the original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek). Also, the writings that were assembled into the Bible were not written hundreds of years after the last apostle died.

You’re giving atheists a bad name.

Boru

You got that backwards. The king James version was written by a committee of 9 leading clergy of the time. The Christian Standard Bible was compiled in a similiar fashion. They themselves commissioned the gathering of stories then voted on what were to be put into the bible. I highly doubt anyone here speaks Hebrew. This is afterall, according to what i see, an English speaking forum. I don't give Atheists a bad name. People who pretend to be Atheists and speak without being truly informed do that already. Example, people who try to get churches removed from neighborhoods. Religion or any belief system in a deity doesn't offend me nor effects me. I rank all modern deity beliefs into the same categories as viking lore, greek mythology and so forth. In case why you are wondering I haven't flew back at you with a rant, rave or a just all around exchange of insults, the answer is easy. I'm an adult and make little time for such things. I view the time responding to you as a waste in fact as well. Have a good day.

The KJV is a translation. The people who produced it did not ‘write the Bible’, nor did they vote on what would be included.

If you want to say the Bible is rubbish, I’m on your side. But trotting out historical errors isn’t going to help the case for atheists.

Boru

[Angrboda]

[vulcanlogician]

There's pointing out where someone is along the x axis, and then there's helping someone get to a different spot on the x axis. If someone's at the peak of mount stupid, encouragement to learn helps more than discouragement of speaking their mind.

Now there are those "Himalayan mystics" like Ahriman who wish to stay at the top of the mountain, but most of us can be persuaded to travel to warmer climes.

[ignoramus]

I love the circular reasoning fallacy. It has brought us all hours of entertainment.
Even Pink Floyd is in on the action.

“If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!”

[Ketzer]

You got that backwards. The king James version was written by a committee of 9 leading clergy of the time. The Christian Standard Bible was compiled in a similiar fashion. They themselves commissioned the gathering of stories then voted on what were to be put into the bible. I highly doubt anyone here speaks Hebrew. This is afterall, according to what i see, an English speaking forum. I don't give Atheists a bad name. People who pretend to be Atheists and speak without being truly informed do that already. Example, people who try to get churches removed from neighborhoods. Religion or any belief system in a deity doesn't offend me nor effects me. I rank all modern deity beliefs into the same categories as viking lore, greek mythology and so forth. In case why you are wondering I haven't flew back at you with a rant, rave or a just all around exchange of insults, the answer is easy. I'm an adult and make little time for such things. I view the time responding to you as a waste in fact as well. Have a good day.

The KJV is a translation. The people who produced it did not ‘write the Bible’, nor did they vote on what would be included.

If you want to say the Bible is rubbish, I’m on your side. But trotting out historical errors isn’t going to help the case for atheists.

Boru

Books don't write themselves lad nor, do they mysteriously just appear. Someone has to write them. Even copies. I already know these things.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]The idea was proposed at a conference of scholars at Hampton Court by a Puritan, John Rainolds, the seventh President of Corpus Christi College during the reign of King James. King james then had the bible rewritten after a conference to decide what would go in the new bible. I never said the King James version was the original book. I said it was a collection of stories that had been gathered and voted on to go into the King James version. This is historical fact, not an inaccuracy. Unless you think the Royal Archives in London are wrong. I never said the King James Version was the original bible. Like every other book, it's a "version" of long told stories handed down through the ages.[/color]

[Angrboda]

There's pointing out where someone is along the x axis, and then there's helping someone get to a different spot on the x axis. If someone's at the peak of mount stupid, encouragement to learn helps more than discouragement of speaking their mind.

Now there are those "Himalayan mystics" like Ahriman who wish to stay at the top of the mountain, but most of us can be persuaded to travel to warmer climes.

"You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word."

[Brian37]

This is an observation on my part where the bible basically talks in circles. Below are 2 quotes from the bible.

Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, the whole earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.” 

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image. He created him in the image of God. He created them male and female. 

When I pointed this out to my relatives (who are a mixture of Baptists and Catholics) they were caught off guard and struggled for an explanation.

I asked them, "So, god was a hermaphrodite that identified with the male side because it clearly states "he" created them male and female. They can explain this by saying god created man in his image buuuuut, then they'll contradict themselves if they try to explain the "our image part' because, according them there is only one god.

I know the rest of the bible too and use to asked all the time by my relatives. "If you're an Atheist, why do you know so much about the bible?" So, I throw it back by telling them that's the wrong question. "If you're a christian, why is it you don't?"

I look at the bible like a childish brat (GOD) playing his X-Box and getting frustrated when he cant get past the first level.

Level 1,  Adam and Eve, ends up killing them off.

Level 2. Be a good Hebrew and nobody gets hurt.. Fuck them flood the world.

Level 3. Abusive spouse offers Jesus, "Look what I did for you". Like flowers after beating your spouse,

Level 4. End times. FUCK this shit, I am smashing my X-Box and going home.

[Ferrocyanide]

This is an observation on my part where the bible basically talks in circles. Below are 2 quotes from the bible.

Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, the whole earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.” 

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image. He created him in the image of God. He created them male and female. 

When I pointed this out to my relatives (who are a mixture of Baptists and Catholics) they were caught off guard and struggled for an explanation.

I asked them, "So, god was a hermaphrodite that identified with the male side because it clearly states "he" created them male and female. They can explain this by saying god created man in his image buuuuut, then they'll contradict themselves if they try to explain the "our image part' because, according them there is only one god.

I know the rest of the bible too and use to asked all the time by my relatives. "If you're an Atheist, why do you know so much about the bible?" So, I throw it back by telling them that's the wrong question. "If you're a christian, why is it you don't?"

Let me make my own observations:

Genesis 1:26 KING JAMES VERSION
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

^^^^^I noticed that it is using the word “say”.
It doesn’t use the word “think” or “thought”.
So, it looks like there is a conversation going on between multiple entities.

Genesis 1:27 KING JAMES VERSION
So God created man in[own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

^^^^^At the same time, he makes 1 human male and 1 human female. In Genesis 2, the story is very different.
The jewish god blessed them means that the jewish god said a few magical phrases or that he rubbed them in oil or washed them with water.
Then the god gave them a few commands.
All things that are in water are considered fish: whale, dolphin, sea cucumbers, starfish, turtles, snakes, frogs, penguins.

Genesis 2 is quite different from Genesis 1.
EXAMPLE:
In Genesis 2, it just says that heavens and Earth and hosts were finished. There is no mention of days.
Then it mentions that day 7 is reached.
The jewish god declares the 7 th day as holy and the jewish god rests from all the work he has done.
Except that it starts describing work that the god is doing.

DAYS IS NOT THE SAME
There are no trees and shrubs.
Look at Genesis 1 day 3: vegetation is made.
Genesis 2 day 7, it says It has not rained. The plants are not growing.
A mist comes along and waters the Earth for the first time. So, plants grow on day 7.

DAYS IS NOT THE SAME
In Genesis 1, the jewish god creates man on day 6 (man and woman Genesis 1:27). Animals are created on day 5. So, the jewish god creates man after animals.
In Genesis 2, the jewish god creates man on day 7,  and later on he says it is not good for man to be alone, he then creates animals, then he creates a woman.

ORDER OF CREATION IS NOT THE SAME
In Genesis 1, man and woman are created at the same time.
In Genesis 2, man is created first, then animals, then a woman.

ORDER OF CREATION IS NOT THE SAME
In Genesis 2, the god brings them to Adam (this is the first time we see the name Adam) to see what name Adam would give them.
So, there is no “help meet” for Adam.
The jewish god makes Adam go to sleep and he extracts the penis bone and make a woman.
Adam meets the woman and decides to call it a woman.

WHAT YOU CAN EAT IS NOT THE SAME
In Genesis 1:29, it says that Adam can eat from every plant/tree. It says that animals can eat from every plant/tree.
In Genesis 2:16, it says that you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[Fake Messiah]

Bible talked in circles from the start because it is wrong from the start. The beginning is all about how life is hard and how people have to work hard just to survive, which was true until recently, but now we invented all these machines so that we don't have to work so hard to have some food. And, in the past, even with a lot of work the hunger and starvation were common.

Just take tractors that make plowing a child's game. No more tedious work with the oxen and sticks for days on end.

Now with all those machines, it seems that we ridicule the Bible and make it obsolete. So you can imagine if the Bible started with "Life is hard, but here is what you can do..." and give people some advanced instructions on how to ease their survival, instead of "Life is hard and it is all your fault."

[Ferrocyanide]

Bible talked in circles from the start because it is wrong from the start. The beginning is all about how life is hard and how people have to work hard just to survive, which was true until recently, but now we invented all these machines so that we don't have to work so hard to have some food. And, in the past, even with a lot of work the hunger and starvation were common.

Just take tractors that make plowing a child's game. No more tedious work with the oxen and sticks for days on end.

Now with all those machines, it seems that we ridicule the Bible and make it obsolete. So you can imagine if the Bible started with "Life is hard, but here is what you can do..." and give people some advanced instructions on how to ease their survival, instead of "Life is hard and it is all your fault."

By the time that humans developed a language, much of the prehistory has been forgotten. It looks like their (the ancient jews) earliest memories are about agriculture and boats, copper, gold, grass, silver, iron.
There isn’t anything about leaving Africa. Nothing about Neanderthals. Nothing about making stone tools. Nothing about being cavemen. Nothing about discovering Europe, Asia, Oceania, America, Hawai and many small islands.

Science came along to fill in some of those knowledge gaps.

Somehow, ancient humans have developed this idea that you have to make the gods happy so that they would make good things happen to you. This concept seems to be present in a few cultures (sacrifices, gift giving to the gods, obeying the rules).

The Bible doesn’t even explain how gold was first discovered. How did they discover how to prepare copper, zinc, tin, iron, alloys. Who discovered it? How did they prepare a crucible? How did they decide that they could melt it? How did they prepare a mold and discover the materials needed to make a mold.
The Tanakh authors had no clue. Nobody remembered anymore who made those discoveries probably because those discoveries were made a few thousand years before them.

There isn’t anything about who made the first tools. There isn’t anything about who made cloths. History doesn’t record who the inventors were.

The Bible talks about Egypt quite a bit and from early on. There isn’t anything about the evolution of egyptian culture. It just suddenly claims there is an Egypt and a Pharaoh. Where is the information about the Sphinx, the pyramids, who came up with the idea to build pyramids? What were the early forms of burials like in Egypt?
An archeologist/egyptologist can answer such questions.
According to the tanakh, the jews grew up over there for generations (?) yet they seem to know nothing about egyptian culture if we look at the tanakh.