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Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
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Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
https://www.si.com/racing/2022/03/02/ric...to-ukraine

He pledges to send a million rounds to Ukraine


Nice sentiment. But - what caliber?  

And - have you tried ordering ammo lately? Where is it going to come from? Here in the US there' s been a big shortage of ALL ammo for the last couple years.

The Ukrainians could use some 7.62 x 39 ammo for their AK47's - but the only people that seem to have plenty is the Russians and the Chinese.... I don' t think that' s going to work....
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
(March 3, 2022 at 9:18 am)onlinebiker Wrote: https://www.si.com/racing/2022/03/02/ric...to-ukraine

He pledges to send a million rounds to Ukraine


Nice sentiment. But - what caliber?  

And - have you tried ordering ammo lately? Where is it going to come from? Here in the US there' s been a big shortage of ALL ammo for the last couple years.

The Ukrainians could use some 7.62 x 39 ammo for their AK47's - but the only people that seem to have plenty is the Russians and the Chinese.... I don' t think that' s going to work....

Ordering and producing the rounds isn’t the issue (Childress is worth a quarter billion and sits on the board of Ammo, Inc), and several American companies make the 7.62x39s.

Not sure how they’re going to deliver it, though.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#3
RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
Uh....  No.

Better google some more there mate....


There IS some American made 7.62 x 39. It is not suitable for warfare.

1. It' s too expensive. Brass case. Box primer. Reloadable. ( unlike Communist bloc produced which is steel case, berdain primer)

2. It is not FMJ. Not "legal" for use by convention.


....

He might be able to score some from the Chinese - but only if they don' t side with the Russians....
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
(March 3, 2022 at 11:59 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Uh....  No.

Better google some more there mate....


There IS some American made 7.62 x 39. It is not suitable for warfare.

1. It' s too expensive. Brass case. Box primer. Reloadable. ( unlike Communist bloc produced which is steel case, berdain primer)

2. It is not FMJ. Not "legal" for use by convention.


....

He might be able to score some from the Chinese - but only if they don' t side with the Russians....

I took your advice and did some more googling. I found this:

https://www.smkw.com/fed-7-62x39-124gr-fmj-ae-20bx

If American-made is not FMJ, I have to wonder why they’re advertising it as such.

I don’t think the expense is really an issue. Even if Childress pays for it out-of-pocket - as opposed to the company paying for it - the cost for the rounds alone would be less that $1 million. If we add in permitting and transport costs (and I have no idea what those would be, but let’s triple it), it’s still a tiny fraction of Childress’ net worth.

Since Childress sits on the board of a company that makes ammunition, I don’t see why he would need to ‘score some from the Chinese’.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
The chinese would sell ukraine ammo even as china openly sided with russia, anyway. They come down against our interests all the time and that doesn't stop them from shipping goods. It's likely that people and nations opposed to our interests would very much like for the chinese spigot to run dry, but, obviously, they can pound sand.
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
China gets more benefit from trade with the US than the harm caused by American policies the chinese opposes, even one’s directed against china, such as tariff abs embargo against leading chinese tech firms,  except those concerning taiwan, which china considers existential interest.    so on anything short of taiwan, leverage rests with the US.

on taiwan the leverage also rests with the US because of america’s much larger nuclear arsenal.  But using that leverage means china will then react by trying to match the american nuclear arsenal.  which they seem to have taken the first steps to do.

So when i say America has been mad with power, i meant america thinks it is so strong that it has been flippantly, in the sense of driven by emotional idealism and short term gains in prestige and influence and not by careful strategic forethought, undertaking actions that serves to ensure it will face 2 peer nuckear powers in the foreseeable future, as oppose to just 1 during the cold war.
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
We'd be lucky to have to deal with only two, imo, and, fwiw..the bigger threat isn't state actors with nukes, anyway. It's some dipshit extremist with enough money and/or expertise to diy or procure their own. Likely an american.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
i non-state actors can cause mass casualty events.   but state actors can send us back to the stone age.

however, non-state actor’s effects are free for us to amplify,   and we demonstrated how good we are at amplifying it by scoring a series of own goals in the aftermath of 911
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
(March 3, 2022 at 12:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 3, 2022 at 11:59 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Uh....  No.

Better google some more there mate....


There IS some American made 7.62 x 39. It is not suitable for warfare.

1. It' s too expensive. Brass case. Box primer. Reloadable. ( unlike Communist bloc produced which is steel case, berdain primer)

2. It is not FMJ. Not "legal" for use by convention.


....

He might be able to score some from the Chinese - but only if they don' t side with the Russians....

I took your advice and did some more googling. I found this:

https://www.smkw.com/fed-7-62x39-124gr-fmj-ae-20bx

If American-made is not FMJ, I have to wonder why they’re advertising it as such.

I don’t think the expense is really an issue. Even if Childress pays for it out-of-pocket - as opposed to the company paying for it - the cost for the rounds alone would be less that $1 million. If we add in permitting and transport costs (and I have no idea what those would be, but let’s triple it), it’s still a tiny fraction of Childress’ net worth.

Since Childress sits on the board of a company that makes ammunition, I don’t see why he would need to ‘score some from the Chinese’.

Boru
Did you READ your link?

1. Cost of rounds would BE 1 million. $20 a box of 20 round. 

2. It IS FMJ. First I have seen. Your point 


3. OUT OF STOCK.  as is most everything.

How many American gun shops have you been in this week?
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RE: Childress Pledges Ammo to Ukraine
(March 3, 2022 at 2:00 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(March 3, 2022 at 12:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I took your advice and did some more googling. I found this:

https://www.smkw.com/fed-7-62x39-124gr-fmj-ae-20bx

If American-made is not FMJ, I have to wonder why they’re advertising it as such.

I don’t think the expense is really an issue. Even if Childress pays for it out-of-pocket - as opposed to the company paying for it - the cost for the rounds alone would be less that $1 million. If we add in permitting and transport costs (and I have no idea what those would be, but let’s triple it), it’s still a tiny fraction of Childress’ net worth.

Since Childress sits on the board of a company that makes ammunition, I don’t see why he would need to ‘score some from the Chinese’.

Boru
Did you READ your link?

1. Cost of rounds would BE 1 million. $20 a box of 20 round. 

2. It IS FMJ. First I have seen. Your point 


3. OUT OF STOCK.  as is most everything.

How many American gun shops have you been in this week?

1. I assumed the cost per round would go down due to the volume. Like this:

https://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/7.62x39mm-ammo

1000 rounds for $410.00 comes to .41/round. Two million rounds (the amount Childress wants to donate) would come to $820 000.00.

2. Thank you.

3. You do understand that they would be getting the ammo directly from a manufacturer and not from a gun shop, right? I mean, it’s not as if Elon Musk would be on the waiting list for a back-ordered Tesla.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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