Afghan riots over Quran-burning: 2 days, 20 dead

[Zen Badger]

Neither, i want him to suffer the full brunt of guilt his acts caused to the victim's families

I also accept giving free bibles to angry muslims so they could burns, it's a eye for a eye not a eye for a head

Well it's truth what they say about burning books
-"When you start with books, you end with people."

So you are saying the same as chat pilot..that it wasnt the muslims fault that they killed people, but the christian pastor for burning the koran?

Given the previous and well publicised history of these fucktards to launch into murderous violence at the slightest perceived insult to their stone age religion and its goatfucking prophet, this other religious fucktard knew damn well what would happen once he'd burned the book. So yes, he's guilty of knowingly provoking this reaction.

But then, he's nice and safe in the U.S.

If he really had conviction of faith he would've gone to Afganistan and burnt the koran there.
I'm sure his god would've protected him.

[chatpilot]

"That isnt how we Americans do it. Over here we have first amendment freedoms. If you were to (hypothetically speaking) try to do any of these things to this pastor I guarentee you would loose in every single court of law. "

You love clinging to that first amendment bullshit don't you rj ? It's just a fucking piece of paper that the government applies as they see fit. And let's not forget it's an amendment and can be amended in the future. Have you ever been arrested before? Well the in our courts the presumption of innocence states that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but guess what? When you are arrested no matter what the crime you are treated as a criminal the entire time you are in custody until you are proven innocent. It should state you are guilty until proven innocent that would be more closer to how that system really works.

[Violet]

Fuck the Koran in my opinion you have to look at the bigger picture.

..and since this is posted on a world wide forum, if your words "fuck the koran" got people in afghanistan pissed and went out killing Americans over there...then what? Should we throw you in jail? Or should we hand you over to the mobs in afghanistan?

Or are you going to say that is different? That it is protected in the first amendment.

Am I not looking at the bigger picture?

Americans there surely know the risks of being there. If they are unprepared for that, can you honestly attach more than a fraction of blame onto chatpilot?

I say fuck the American page(s) of holy sacrosanct stupidity. Traditionalism and fanaticism don't get us ahead... progressiveness and pragmatism do.

No, you are looking at a tiny fraction of the picture. The 'whole' of the picture would suggest that chatpilot said magic words that someone else conditioned the group of people to respond to with bloodthirsty slaughter for which some that should have been prepared for weren't prepared for. It goes deeper of course, what with what caused every little portion of the event. And every thing added lessens chatpilot's effect upon the outcome here. Until finally someone wonders why to even bother painting chatpilot as an instigator, when those people were conditioned to be instigated by a whole pile of things.

[Skipper]

rj there you go putting words into my mouth. I never said it wasn't the muslims fault that they killed people, I said that the pastors actions make him responsible as well. If I sold you a gun and you went and shot some poor old lady to rob her purse in my view you are just as responsible for that ladies death for selling an illegal gun in the first place.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Selling an a gun illegally is, well, illegal. Burning a book full of myths in a country where free speech is enshrined is not illegal. You're comparing apples and oranges. If I give you a gun and you kill someone, there is a direct and logical link to me and my role in the murder. If I BURN A BOOK and then you kill someone, I see nothing logical linking me to the murder.

While it's obvious the burning of the book was a stupid thing to do as it was obviously going to offend the usual stupid Muslims who seem to enjoy being insulted, as they seem to find any reason to hit the streets and burn things and kill, he had every right to do it under the man made law that applies to people in his country, he hurt nobody.

The killings were 100% due to the actions of the people who did the killing. They are the only ones to blame. They ended innocent peoples lives because someone thousands of miles away burnt A FUCKING BOOK! Fuck them, and fuck their religion. Backward ass idiots. I fucking hate all religion, but Islam more than any... it breeds hatred and violence on a scale no religion these days even comes close to matching.

[Rayaan]

Here are some of my thoughts concerning the original topic:

1. What is he really achieving by burning just a single Quran out of all the other millions of Qurans?

2. Even if all the Qurans in the world were burned, or let's say thrown into the Ocean, the same Quran can be reproduced in the next day because there are millions of Muslims who have memorized the entire Quran by heart, and they are called hafiz. There are even 8-year-olds today who have completely memorized the Quran.

"The memorization of the Qur'an was very important to Muslims in the past and is also in the present. Yearly many students master the Qur'an and complete the book with tafseer (understanding) and also memorization. The total number of hafidh and hafidhas currently alive in the world has been estimated in the tens of millions." - Wikipedia

3. I believe that the majority of Muslims in the world are not shocked by this at all, including myself. The media just happens to report on a single country where Muslims are attacking Americans because of the burning. Well, what about the larger population of Muslims in so many other countries? Do you see them rioting about this like some of the Muslims in Afghanistan? No. They are going on with their lives just as usual.

4. I don't think that there is a slightest good that can come out of this action (i.e. burning a Quran). Only creates more problems.

5. I agree with those who said that it's the pastor's fault because he knew that there will be a negative reaction from Muslims if he did such a thing (and especially if he declares it openly).

[downbeatplumb]

I have a koran app on my Ipod touch. would afghans go into a murderous rage if i deleted it to make room for easy listening music?

What is with this over reaction all the time? is it the lack of alcohol or the sexual repression?

[Rayaan]

This is an over-reaction indeed. But it represents a very small population of Muslims.

At the same time, the Western media often loves to portray all Muslim population as hatemongers yet they never look at the mirror by themselves.

[downbeatplumb]

Is that eagle walking on water?
Could it be.......(you know what I'm gona type here by now)

[Skipper]

5. I agree with those who said that it's the pastor's fault because he knew that there will be a negative reaction from Muslims if he did such a thing (and especially if he declares it openly).

How is it his fault? Honestly. It's the fucking idiots who killed people who's fault it is! HE BURNT A FUCKING BOOK! He didn't hurt anyone. The constantly in a state of offence Muslims are the ones who did all the killing.

[Ashendant]

5. I agree with those who said that it's the pastor's fault because he knew that there will be a negative reaction from Muslims if he did such a thing (and especially if he declares it openly).

How is it his fault? Honestly. It's the fucking idiots who killed people who's fault it is! HE BURNT A FUCKING BOOK! He didn't hurt anyone. The constantly in a state of offence Muslims are the ones who did all the killing.

He knew that it would happen because of his actions, and he did it anyway, he's responsible too, however his punishment should be guilt.