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‘Merica’s addiction to fake
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RE: ‘Merica’s addiction to fake
(August 5, 2022 at 9:54 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 5, 2022 at 9:50 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Well...good point.  I love, love, love my Harley boots in the cold weather but I don't own a Harley and didn't ride when my husband had one.

I didn' t like my riding boots in the winter....

Steel toed boots suck in snow.....

Snow isn't usually an issue here. The boots I have remind me of my jump boots when I was in the Army.  I didn't jump either, but the boots looked cooler than the regular ones.
  
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Life is an obstacle course. If you make it to the end without dying, you win! What do you win? Eternal slumber.
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RE: ‘Merica’s addiction to fake
(August 4, 2022 at 6:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:


Fair point. You've more than earned your right, as an adult to have your freedoms. But what if your decisions aren't your own. We all drift around on autopilot, on our phones, How many of the free decisions you make are actually free of marketing bread (breeded??? ) biases and influences? If you’re (not you specifically, just generally) decisions aren't completely free.. then how are you different from the children who's parents should be monitoring them?

You paint a picture of free adults walking where they want and doing what they want, but all I see is a dog show with American's being led on a leash by marketing campaigns.



(August 4, 2022 at 8:08 pm)Belacqua Wrote:


Fair point we want what suits us, but when does the child that doesn't know better, not prefer candy for dinner? How can we know better when there is no truth in advertisement, news, life?


(August 5, 2022 at 4:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:


This... so this. Were we always so shallow, always playing a part? how do you get the dog being walked in a dog show to see himself as more than a dog?


(August 5, 2022 at 7:11 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:


This too.... wow. The truth is hard to deal with usually. Is is because it makes uncomfortable to see ourselves/others, Or a lack of having intrinsic value and worth in others and ourselves? Does our skepticism in nothing's real devalue our lives to the point nothing is worth attaining?


All good food for thought. Thanks everyone for participating.
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(August 5, 2022 at 5:37 pm)tackattack Wrote:
(August 4, 2022 at 6:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:


Fair point. You've more than earned your right, as an adult to have your freedoms. But what if your decisions aren't your own. We all drift around on autopilot, on our phones, How many of the free decisions you make are actually free of marketing bread (breeded??? ) biases and influences? If your (not you specifically, just generally) decisions aren't completely free.. then how are you different from the children who's parents should be monitoring them?

You paint a picture of free adults walking where they want and doing what they want, but all I see is a dog show with American's being led on a leash by marketing campaigns.
I'm 65 years old.  The fact that I am not an idiot and that I also learned through experience means I don't need a keeper.  
I understand what marketing is, thank you very much.
You underestimate me, sir.
  
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(August 5, 2022 at 7:43 am)Belacqua Wrote: And the (in retrospect bizarre) idea from the '60s that any sort of illusionism or subject matter in painting -- other than making the paint itself the subject -- was somehow fakery. He would have found that insane. 

Very true. Ruskin was not opposed to illusions so long as they were transparent and obvious.
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RE: ‘Merica’s addiction to fake
(August 5, 2022 at 9:54 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 5, 2022 at 9:50 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Well...good point.  I love, love, love my Harley boots in the cold weather but I don't own a Harley and didn't ride when my husband had one.

I didn' t like my riding boots in the winter....

Steel toed boots suck in snow.....

‘Dress for the slide, not for the ride.’

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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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(August 5, 2022 at 5:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I'm 65 years old.  The fact that I am not an idiot and that I also learned through experience means I don't need a keeper.  
I understand what marketing is, thank you very much.
You underestimate me, sir.
I don’t underestimate anyone here. You said you’re not an idiot and I agree. It’s not about IQ though. Unfortunately, I’ve begrudgingly realized intelligent people can believe dumb ideas. All humans are to some degree intellectually lazy, irrational in decision-making, have multi layered confirmation biases, and other natural impulses that often obstruct critical thinking. Come on! On a forum of atheists no one has ever thought, “a lot of people are really stupid”?

I thought the prevailing opinion was that religious thought was heavily tied to anti-science / anti-intellectual beliefs. Colloquially, do we commonly perceive that people from other countries that are less religious are “smarter”?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: ‘Merica’s addiction to fake
(August 5, 2022 at 5:37 pm)tackattack Wrote: Fair point we want what suits us, but when does the child that doesn't know better, not prefer candy for dinner? How can we know better when there is no truth in advertisement, news, life? 
And not just the child! 
The fact that we live in a post-truth society is bad for everybody.
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RE: ‘Merica’s addiction to fake
(August 5, 2022 at 7:12 pm)tackattack Wrote:
(August 5, 2022 at 5:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I'm 65 years old.  The fact that I am not an idiot and that I also learned through experience means I don't need a keeper.  
I understand what marketing is, thank you very much.
You underestimate me, sir.
I don’t underestimate anyone here. You said you’re not an idiot and I agree. It’s not about IQ though. Unfortunately, I’ve begrudgingly realized intelligent people can believe dumb ideas. All humans are to some degree intellectually  lazy, irrational in decision-making, have multi layered confirmation biases, and other natural impulses that often obstruct critical thinking. Come on! On a forum of atheists no one has ever thought, “a lot of people are really stupid”?

I thought the prevailing opinion was that religious thought was heavily tied to anti-science / anti-intellectual beliefs. Colloquially, do we commonly perceive that people from other countries that are less religious are “smarter”?

I think people tend to overestimate themselves. No one is immune to propaganda, advertising, confirmation bias, etc. etc. 

Saying you live above all that just means you haven't recognized how deep we're submerged in it. To manage it wisely, you have to admit you're in it.
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(August 5, 2022 at 7:44 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(August 5, 2022 at 7:12 pm)tackattack Wrote: I don’t underestimate anyone here. You said you’re not an idiot and I agree. It’s not about IQ though. Unfortunately, I’ve begrudgingly realized intelligent people can believe dumb ideas. All humans are to some degree intellectually  lazy, irrational in decision-making, have multi layered confirmation biases, and other natural impulses that often obstruct critical thinking. Come on! On a forum of atheists no one has ever thought, “a lot of people are really stupid”?

I thought the prevailing opinion was that religious thought was heavily tied to anti-science / anti-intellectual beliefs. Colloquially, do we commonly perceive that people from other countries that are less religious are “smarter”?

I think people tend to overestimate themselves. No one is immune to propaganda, advertising, confirmation bias, etc. etc. 

Saying you live above all that just means you haven't recognized how deep we're submerged in it. To manage it wisely, you have to admit you're in it.
I bow to your superiority....

...if for no other reason other than to make it easier for you to kiss my ass.
  
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