The Biblecode

[Manowar]

Wasn't sure if this is the correct section to put this thread in. Yes, i admit i had the code (my version was free) For those of you that don't know of it there is a code supposely found in the Bible to predict future events, it was discovered by Dr.Eliyahu Rips, He is not stupid but when you are religious you tend to be a bit naive and lie to yourself. here i think is a major problem with this when you put in words like name or dates many will be found in what is called a matrix hebrew does not use vowels. in the famous Rabin matrix (where it was predicted he would assassinated i entered my name It showed up several times, why, When bible-code searches are done, they ignore the vowel markings, which means that the same series of consonants could represent several different words. They merely add whatever vowels they want to make the words they are looking for. Let's look at examples in the English language; the words "quite" and "quit." They have very different meanings but the only difference is the "e" at the end. Another example is "altar" and "alter." Again, words with very different meaning but the only difference is one little vowel. Or "beer" and "bear." Again, one little vowel changes the word completely.
You can find whatever you want.
Guy Cramer reports on his web site that he was originally a believer in the Bible codes until Dr. James Price, Professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at Temple Baptist Seminary in Chattanooga, TN, showed him negative phrases about Jesus in the codes. For example: "I desire/lust after treachery/fraud, Jesus is my violent name" (http://www.corp.direct.ca/trinity/codebreaker.html). Dr. Price even found negative statements about God, such as "God (is) an abomination and a diviner."


The author of the book (there are 3 books in print now) Does not believe in God
but thinks thsi code was developed for us by aliens. people are entertaining are they?




Manowar

[reverendjeremiah]

So bible code is okay as long as you agree with it, but if it says something you dont agree with then it is obviously fraud to these people.

..sounds resonable to me.

[Rhizomorph13]

I moved this to the proper part of the forum... Pseudoscience.

[Manowar]

If the Biblecode worked I would just be picking the lottery numbers.

Manowar

[chatpilot]

I never fell for the bible code, in fact when it was publicized I did not even have an inkling of interest. I don't believe in prophecies of any sort.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

The notion of a hidden code in the Torah is very old and accepted by many Talmudic scholars. (pesher)

An Australian biblical scholar, Barbara Thiering, wrote a book, "Jesus The Man" which I read. Whilst reading her book, I felt as I did reading Immanuel Velikovski's "Ages In Chaos". IE that the author was brilliant,erudite and nuts


Theiring used the Pesher technique to reinterpret the NT

Pesher (pl. pesharim) is a Hebrew word meaning "interpretation" in the sense of "solution". It became known from one group of texts, numbering some hundreds, among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The pesharim give a theory of scriptural interpretation, previously partly known, but now fully defined. The writers of pesharim believe that scripture is written in two levels, the surface for ordinary readers with limited knowledge, the concealed one for specialists with higher knowledge. This is most clearly spelled out in the Habakkuk Pesher (1QpHab), where the author of the text asserts that God has made known to the Teacher of Righteousness, a prominent figure within the history of the Essene community, "all the mysteries of his servants the prophets" (1QpHab VII:4-5). By contrast, the prophets themselves only had a partial interpretation revealed to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesher

Some of her reinterpretation: (and review comments)

"Professor Barbara Thiering's reinterpretation of the New Testament, in which the married, divorced, and remarried Jesus, father of four, becomes the "Wicked Priest" of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has made no impact on learned opinion. Scroll scholars and New Testament experts alike have found the basis of the new theory, Thiering's use of the so-called "pesher technique", without substance."[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Thiering

[corndog36]

They are finding these codes in the original Hebrew manuscripts? Or is it found in the Greek translations of the Hebrew manuscpripts? Or the English translations of Greek translations of the Hebrew?

[Minimalist]

They are finding these codes in the original Hebrew manuscripts?

There are no original Hebrew manuscripts.

[downbeatplumb]

The bbc did a programme on this called horizon back in 2003 but I cant find a working video stream.
I remember that it concluded it was a load of bull.

[corndog36]

They are finding these codes in the original Hebrew manuscripts?

There are no original Hebrew manuscripts.

I know, I was being a bit facetious there. But if the code was written into the Hebrew texts, then the Greek translators would have had to re-encode it into the Greek, then it would have to have been re-encoded into the English translations. Or am I missing something here?