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Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
#81
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
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#82
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 4:39 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Generations’ is not the same as ‘genealogy’. The former is who is descended from you, the latter is who you’re descended from (if it was Adam’s genealogy, it would simply read ‘God’).

It’s intended to show Noah’s descent from Adam, through Seth. Since Cain wasn’t Noah’s direct ancestor, it wouldn’t make sense to mention Cain. Nothing to do with snake DNA.

Boru

So now were attempting to argue semantics?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/genealogy/
Quote:Genealogy. [N]

In Hebrew the term for genealogy or pedigree is "the book of the generations;"

The 'generations' of Noah mentions ALL of his sons, and the 'generations' of Noah son mentions ALL of their sons, yet the 'generations' of Adam leave out Cain.
Quote:Genesis 6
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


Quote:Genesis 10
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

Quote:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

Quote:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

But the purpose of the generations of Adam is to show a direct line between him and Noah - it has no other purpose. The purpose of the generations of Noah is to show the men who peopled the Earth after the flood. You’re attempting to apply the same reasoning to two different things.

A list of Noah’s children and grandchildren doesn’t serve the same purpose as a list of Noah’s male ancestors in direct lineage. 

And if you weren’t so quick to sneer at semantics, you might understand why you’re getting this wrong.

Boru
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#83
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 5:30 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 5:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: As far as I am concerned, the evolutionary genetic evidence is virtually absolute with the last common ancestor between H. Sapiens and modern snakes being around 300 Mya.

Question, why do you keep mentioning "modern snakes", are you being purposefully obtuse?

Ancient snakes bred with people? 

You smoke some wild stuff there Smuggy.  You should step away from that stuff.
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#84
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 6:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 4:39 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: So now were attempting to argue semantics?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/genealogy/

The 'generations' of Noah mentions ALL of his sons, and the 'generations' of Noah son mentions ALL of their sons, yet the 'generations' of Adam leave out Cain.

But the purpose of the generations of Adam is to show a direct line between him and Noah - it has no other purpose. The purpose of the generations of Noah is to show the men who peopled the Earth after the flood. You’re attempting to apply the same reasoning to two different things.

A list of Noah’s children and grandchildren doesn’t serve the same purpose as a list of Noah’s male ancestors in direct lineage. 

And if you weren’t so quick to sneer at semantics, you might understand why you’re getting this wrong.

Boru
That wasn't it's purpose at all, it was tracing the lineage of the firstborn sons, Noah just happened to be one of those firstborn sons.
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#85
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 8:12 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 6:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But the purpose of the generations of Adam is to show a direct line between him and Noah - it has no other purpose. The purpose of the generations of Noah is to show the men who peopled the Earth after the flood. You’re attempting to apply the same reasoning to two different things.

A list of Noah’s children and grandchildren doesn’t serve the same purpose as a list of Noah’s male ancestors in direct lineage. 

And if you weren’t so quick to sneer at semantics, you might understand why you’re getting this wrong.

Boru
That wasn't it's purpose at all, it was tracing the lineage of the firstborn sons, Noah just happened to be one of those firstborn sons.

If it was tracing the lineage of only firstborn sons, why are all three of Noah’s sons listed?

Boru
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#86
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 12:05 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, I thought the ideas of Scientology were crazy.  Seriously, where is the evidence of a snake/human cross?

Pssh. I have a "snake" right here in my shorts...it spits "people" juice, though.  Blush
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#87
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 5:43 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 5:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Are you claiming that the so-called Garden of Eden was a geographical location with real people & animals?

Yes. The bible literally gives you it's geographic location.

Quote:Genesis 2
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

So there's a geographic location where the Euphrates springs from the same source as another river that loops around Ethiopia?
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#88
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 24, 2022 at 8:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 8:12 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: That wasn't it's purpose at all, it was tracing the lineage of the firstborn sons, Noah just happened to be one of those firstborn sons.

If it was tracing the lineage of only firstborn sons, why are all three of Noah’s sons listed?

Boru

I was speaking in relation to Adam, how many kids do you think you could sire given 900+ years?
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#89
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 25, 2022 at 3:25 am)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 8:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If it was tracing the lineage of only firstborn sons, why are all three of Noah’s sons listed?

Boru

I was speaking in relation to Adam, how many kids do you think you could sire given 900+ years?

Do you really think A&E only banged each other?

You would never think A&E shagged their children or their children fucking each other?

Now you will tell us all the people they needed to fuck to populate the earth lived in the land of Nod?

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#90
RE: Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.
(October 25, 2022 at 3:25 am)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(October 24, 2022 at 8:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If it was tracing the lineage of only firstborn sons, why are all three of Noah’s sons listed?

Boru

I was speaking in relation to Adam, how many kids do you think you could sire given 900+ years?

I was speaking in relation to Adam as well. You said the ‘generations of Adam’ is a list of first-born sons. If it were, then there would only one son of Noah in the list - the eldest.

I couldn’t sire any kids if I lived 900 years, but Adam sired ‘many’. But read the list - it starts with Adam and ends with Noah and his brood. How is it NOT a genealogy of Noah?

As to Cain’s parentage, the Biblical description of it is (almost) word for word the same as Seth’s. So, what is Cain’s father the serpent but Seth’s father is Adam? Furthermore, even if Eve did play hide the salami with the serpent, she didn’t conceive Cain until after the Fall. By that time (according to you), the serpent has been turned into an ordinary snake. Any theories as to how a garden snake can impregnate a human?

Boru
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