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Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
#41
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 6:24 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 6:01 am)Interaktive Wrote: Germans and Americans must unite against the Chinese and Russians

Why?

What about the French? The Japanese? The Indians? Why are you excluding so many countries?

What, specifically, do you mean by ‘unite against’?

What do you think will happen if this unity doesn't take place?

Should the Belgians and the Latvians unite against the Italians and the Swiss?

Boru

as against the Third Reich and the USSR
that NATO and the European Union become stronger
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#42
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 6:01 am)Interaktive Wrote: Germans and Americans must unite against the Chinese and Russians

We already did.  It's called NATO.  Any attack on a NATO country by Russia and China is considered an attack on all NATO countries.
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#43
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 7:47 am)LinuxGal Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 6:01 am)Interaktive Wrote: Germans and Americans must unite against the Chinese and Russians

We already did.  It's called NATO.  Any attack on a NATO country by Russia and China is considered an attack on all NATO countries.

And it’s likely to pull non-NATO countries into the fray as well. They may not side with either of the major blocs, though. For example, while the big boys are lobbing bombs at each other, Israel may take advantage of the situation to flatten, say, Iran.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#44
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 7:47 am)LinuxGal Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 6:01 am)Interaktive Wrote: Germans and Americans must unite against the Chinese and Russians

We already did.  It's called NATO.  Any attack on a NATO country by Russia and China is considered an attack on all NATO countries.

NATO aid to Ukraine should be increased. If NATO wins in Ukraine, then Moscow will join NATO
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#45
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 10:22 am)Interaktive Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 7:47 am)LinuxGal Wrote: We already did.  It's called NATO.  Any attack on a NATO country by Russia and China is considered an attack on all NATO countries.

NATO aid to Ukraine should be increased. If NATO wins in Ukraine, then Moscow will join NATO

The Five Families in New York will join INTERPOL before Russia joins NATO.
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#46
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 10:22 am)Interaktive Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 7:47 am)LinuxGal Wrote: We already did.  It's called NATO.  Any attack on a NATO country by Russia and China is considered an attack on all NATO countries.

NATO aid to Ukraine should be increased. If NATO wins in Ukraine, then Moscow will join NATO

Again, the view that nato is a strictly defensive alliance for the good of all and open to all is far too simple minded and naive.

If nato wins in Ukraine Russia will sooner form a overt alliance with China, and explicitly offer to extend its own nuclear umbrella over China to completely upend the current balance of power between the US and China in the pacific than join such a nato as it actually is, and no doubt seen clearly by Russia to be,  instead what nato self-servingly touted itself to be by the US, UK, and most Eastern European NATO members.     

Russia will only join a long term Euroasia military alliance that can call on its own military resource for collective interests if that military alliance does not have the United States in it.    The reason is it will always be an overwhelming priority of the US to prevent Russia from fully leveraging it natural resource and central location in Euroasia for it’s own benefit.
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#47
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(October 30, 2022 at 10:22 am)Interaktive Wrote: NATO aid to Ukraine should be increased. If NATO wins in Ukraine, then Moscow will join NATO

Again, the view that nato is a strictly defensive alliance for the good of all and open to all is far too simple minded and naive.

If nato wins in Ukraine Russia will sooner form a overt alliance with China, and explicitly offer to extend its own nuclear umbrella over China to completely upend the current balance of power between the US and China in the pacific than join such a nato as it actually is, and no doubt seen clearly by Russia to be,  instead what nato self-servingly touted itself to be by the US, UK, and most Eastern European NATO members.     

Russia will only join a long term Euroasia military alliance that can call on its own military resource for collective interests if that military alliance does not have the United States in it.    The reason is it will always be an overwhelming priority of the US to prevent Russia from fully leveraging it natural resource and central location in Euroasia for it’s own benefit.

judging by the fact that Norway and the USA are the richest countries in the world, NATO is needed for robbery
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#48
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: If nato wins in Ukraine
NATO cant win the war in Ukraine. Its not even a participant in this war, just a supporter.
Its like saying in 1940: "If the US is going to win the war in Europe...."


(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Russia will sooner form a overt alliance with China
Hilarious  Hehe
Because Russis and China are rivals since Korea, not.at.all.

(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: , and explicitly offer to extend its own nuclear umbrella over China
Poor little China, still needs help from mighty Russia. You are stuck in the late 40s, my friend.  Hilarious

(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: to completely upend the current balance of power between the US and China in the pacific than join such a nato as it actually is, and no doubt seen clearly by Russia to be,  instead what nato self-servingly touted itself to be by the US, UK, and most Eastern European NATO members.  
Dude, put that pipe down!   

(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Russia will only join a long term Euroasia military alliance that can call on its own military resource for collective interests if that military alliance does not have the United States in it.
How are the chances anyone in Europe wants to join an alliance with Russia, currently...or in the foreseeable future?? Hilarious Hilarious


(October 30, 2022 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:    The reason is it will always be an overwhelming priority of the US to prevent Russia from fully leveraging it natural resource and central location in Euroasia for it’s own benefit.
Russia does not need the US to fuck this up. Economically backwards for 500 years, remember? Gross domestic product (per capita) equals Bulgaria, remember?
Center of Eurasia: Eastern Kasachstan.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#49
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
Putin is a Mongol
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#50
RE: Russia is Europe. Kyiv and Moscow should be in the European Union
(December 14, 2022 at 7:21 am)Interaktive Wrote: Putin is a Mongol

Jesus saves, Moses earns, but the Mongol hordes.
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