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have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
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have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9uQ_z0QGk

A preaching in a mosque (as it seems), in a friday (the islamic 'day of rest'), year 2005.

What's your opinion on this?
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#2
RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
He's better than most rappers.
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#3
RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
The audience seemed really bored.
Intolerant racist rants are just everyday for these people.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
(April 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The audience seemed really bored.
Intolerant racist rants are just everyday for these people.

What an ignorant cunt.

I liked the singing.Angel

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#5
RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
Kind if reminds me of this shithead. Unfortunately these types are a dime a dozen over there. I can kind of understand the extremism of some of those palestinians, 40 year military occupation and all, but those ultra-orthodox jews are just fucking crazy.
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#6
RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
A man who is full of prejudice and has a fantasy of world domination one day. Almost like Hitler I guess.
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RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
(April 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The audience seemed really bored.
Intolerant racist rants are just everyday for these people.

the audience doesn't look bored to me. they look as if they are starting to realize that what the guy says is true. The version of history he's teaching is interesting though.

Anyway, that doesn't sound outrageous to the Palestinian people (as it seems when you look at the video): no one is doing anything about it, but all accept the idea. I've also not heard any complains of Palestinian leaders against the hatred towards the state of Israel and the Jews. I guess it's just politics: Palestine is in war with Israel, so its people have to see things accordingly.

Anyway, I wonder if there is any religious muslim that does not hate/despise the jews and agrees with the state of Israel being there. perhaps that would be a miracle.

That because there are verses in the islamic holy books that clearly teach hatred against jews. The verse which that imam quoted is:
Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985 Wrote:Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
(http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/...1.smt.html)

which sounds pretty obvious...
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RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
Quote:That because there are verses in the islamic holy books that clearly teach hatred against jews. The verse which that imam quoted is:

The Qur'an also instructs Muslims to be tolerant and protective of "people of the book". These are usually seen to be Jews, Christians and Sabians, although historically many Muslims have argued for a broader interpretation, to include Zoroastrians and Hindus.

The holy books of all of the Abrahamic faiths are so full of inconsistencies and contraction that every believer is forced to cherry pick. The version practised by any given individual reflects his/her personality,character, needs,fears,intellect,personal fears and superstitions of parents as well as the times and culture


Quote:Ten thousand monks ten thousand religions. (Buddhist saying)


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Quote:People of the Book (Arabic: أهل الكتاب‎ ′Ahl al-Kitāb) is a term used to designate non-Muslim adherents to faiths which have a book of prayer.[1] The three faiths that the Qur'an mentions as people of the book are Judaism, Sabians and Christianity. However, many Muslim rulers and scholars have also included other religions such as Zoroastrianism[2][3] and Hinduism.[4][5]

In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law).

In Judaism the term "People of the Book" (Hebrew: עם הספר, Am HaSefer) was used to refer specifically to the Jewish people and the Torah, and to the Jewish people and the wider canon of written Jewish law (including the Mishnah and the Talmud). Adherents of other Abrahamic religions, which arose later than Judaism, were not added.[6]



Quote:In the Qur'an

There are many statements in the Qur'an that promote tolerance towards People of The Book. For example:

And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Qur'an 29:46]

In other places the Qur'an says:

Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)

And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3:199)'

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Qur'an 2:62]

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. [Qur'an 3:64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_book



What's a Sabian?


Quote:The Sabians (Arabic: صابئة‎, Hebrew: צבאים‎) of Middle Eastern tradition were a monotheistic[1] religious group who worshipped in the names of stellar angels. Most of what is known of them comes from the writings of Maimonides and classical Arabic sources, notably ibn Waḥshiyya's The Nabatean Agriculture.

The Fihrist of Al-Nadim, (an Arabic writer c. 987), mentions the Mogtasilah ("Mughtasila," or "self-ablutionists"), a "sect" of "Sabians" in southern Mesopotamia who counted El-Hasaih as their founder[2] and the vast majority of academics agree that they are probably the enigmatic "Sobiai" to whom Elchasai preached in Parthia. They appear to have gravitated around the original pro-Jewish Hanputa of Elchasai out of which the miso-Judaic prophet Mani seceded and are identified therefore as the pro-Torah Sampsaeans but also less accurately with the anti-Torah Mandaeans. They were said to believe that they "belonged" to the prophet Noah.[note 1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians

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RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
I know that the Islamic holy books (the qur'an and the hadiths) are full of contradictions, but it works well politically: in time of peace, the imams usually tell peace & love verses. In time of war, or when it's needed to instigate people to war and hatred, use the hatred & violence verses. so it works fine.

Anyway, no matter how much one muslim would try to defend a violence verse like this one I have quoted, he can only twist it, because there can be no 'proper interpretation' of the verse to show it as a non-violent: to kill means to kill, a gathering of muslims starting to fight, all at once, in order to kill, means physical damage, no matter how much a muslim would try to play with the words' meanings (e.g. because "fight" usually doesn't mean to fight with words, while "kill" never means to rebuke, or something).

I think it's wrong to say that a terrorist muslim killed someone because of a misinterpretation of the verse, because the islamic holy books need a twisted interpretation from the imams to convince the muslims not to kill and not to physically harm anybody.
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RE: have you seen this video? (an islamic preching in Palestine)
Point being is that all of your 'Holy books' are nothing more than political statements that are 2000 years old and out of date
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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