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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 8, 2023 at 5:35 am
(July 8, 2023 at 5:29 am)Deesse23 Wrote: This ignoramus gets about every single scientific issue which he addresses completely wrong, yet he boasts about his excellent education.
What i am however taking more issue with than his ignorance per se, is his WILLFUL ignorance. He will, no doubt, avoid to learn anything new and correct his errors. 
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Which supports the axiom that expertise in one field does not translate to expertise in another.
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 8, 2023 at 8:04 am
(July 8, 2023 at 5:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 8, 2023 at 5:29 am)Deesse23 Wrote: This ignoramus gets about every single scientific issue which he addresses completely wrong, yet he boasts about his excellent education.
What i am however taking more issue with than his ignorance per se, is his WILLFUL ignorance. He will, no doubt, avoid to learn anything new and correct his errors. 
(Bold mine)
Which supports the axiom that expertise in one field does not translate to expertise in another.
Boru
Which begs the question, "where did the writing in his OPs come from" ?
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 8, 2023 at 8:36 am
(July 4, 2023 at 7:14 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: the First Cause of all beings/things has no Beginning of Existence, but Exists Eternally.
You've replaced infinite regress with eternal existence and think that an improvement. Congrats on exposing the fatal flaw in your argument.
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 8, 2023 at 11:23 am
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(July 7, 2023 at 10:54 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Just passing through.
@LadyForCamus said:
"Let’s concede, just for fun, that the universe had a ‘First Cause’. What is it, and how do you know?"
Ok. So if we concede that, even jff, the next step is to deduce the Necessary Properties of this First Cause.
So that's why I mentioned Properties I-IV of the First Cause. Because B1 is not contingent on a Prior Being, He/It exists non-contingently, i.e. necessarily.
Can we agree on that much? That would be the first step. And subsequent premises, just like we do in mathematic theorems, would build on those foundational axioms. That a First Cause exists, then that He/It exists necessarily, i.e. without beginning or end, eternally, then in the next steps, that He is a Personal Being, Supremely Good, Perfectly Simple, Actus Purus (Pure Actuality), without Potentiality, etc etc.
Historically, it was the God of Abraham who first revealed Himself like this, as One Supreme Being, as Almighty God, while the rest of the world, being polytheistic, thought there were as many gods as there were men and women. That is incorrect and can be disproved by deducing the Properties of the First Cause. Later on, Greek Philosophy, including those like Aristotle, Plato etc, by philosophical arguments, which St. Augustine and St. Thomas would subsequently build on, develop and improve, also established, from rational premises, some truths about the First Cause.
God Bless,
Xavier.
How do you know it’s a being? Seems like you just tried to slide that in through the door as a bare assertion. Is it conscious? How do you know?
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 8, 2023 at 11:50 am
Even if this universe needed or had a cause, there is no reason to assume whatever it was, was a god.
Just as the statement "god exists (eternally)" implies that god found itself in a Reality in which it did not participate in non-existence, there is, in every form of theism,
a larger unexamined Reality implied, in which the gods have no part. A real god would have to be the totality of Reality at some point, (under present definitions).
An omnipotent god could have created a race of competitive robot universe makers, vying with each other to make races of creatures, and the winner will be judged
by which one makes the universe where the humans make up the most ridiculous gods, and they get together for a good laugh.
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July 8, 2023 at 12:02 pm
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 9, 2023 at 5:05 pm
(July 8, 2023 at 8:36 am)Paleophyte Wrote: (July 4, 2023 at 7:14 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: the First Cause of all beings/things has no Beginning of Existence, but Exists Eternally.
You've replaced infinite regress with eternal existence and think that an improvement. Congrats on exposing the fatal flaw in your argument.
he can only reason by analogy for so long before his pathological Stockholm syndrome craving for an abusive overlord overthrows even such tiny and sorry imitation of reasoning as analogy he is capable of.
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RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 9, 2023 at 7:02 pm
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(July 8, 2023 at 8:36 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: [quote pid='2153135' dateline='1688469260']
the First Cause of all beings/things has no Beginning of Existence, but Exists Eternally.
No. In Theology "eternal" does not mean "endless time". It mean "timelessness". That's very basic.
A timeless being cannot stop it's timeless existence and mark a moment by "doing" something. I learned it in Grade School.
.... like "sending his son", changing his view due his son dying etc etc. The timeless being cannot be the cause of anything,
as the causation event marks a moment in endless time ... for which there is a before and an after. That is meaningless
for a being that is eternal and whose environment is timelessness.
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