Question for Astronophiles

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Pillars are gas clouds from which new stars will form. Nothing religious about creating stars from gas, it's how that's done. Anybody who wants to go toe-to-toe with science to defend/promote/annoy is just admitting they don't have shit.

[Angrboda]

What are you saying?

Boru

That was my question. Get your own!

[HappySkeptic]

The OP reads like it was written by a pre-ChatGPT chatbot.

An easy search explains what the "pillars of creation" photo of the nebula M16 is about.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Take the pillars of creation image you find online. It can't literally be a picture of such a mass but still be an accurate representation of what it honestly looks like from relative perspective? Its not just a lucid dream somebody had one day where they stored all the secrets they kept away from their customers and then they paid a bunch of NASA hacks to claim it was a verified image of a celestial higher power?

See what I'm saying? NASA scientists can say that the pillars of creation are more than simply a digital rendering made from assumptions of mathematical models. And these models are associated with all sciences in which we rely on because we can move faster with them than without them. This is why America went to the moon right? To prove that the math said that it was at least plausible and only missing a positive thrusting device that we could board one body at a time. But fundamentally, the science has mostly only proven to be necessary as far as we need it to accomplish something we couldn't without it

You know what I'm saying? If I have faith in the NASA scientist that the pillars of creation are definitely an amazing and awe inspiring aspect to what the universe is and how it makes itself grow, then I would have a certified faith in the other wonders of science that I don't fully be without fully understanding how impossible our life would be without it. But that caps out at plane travel being the top use of the science that we couldn't live without and what good is that really when you think about it? Then the next would be general automobile society where if you don't have one then you still probably live off of a public version of it because you need to save the time and energy for the space youre moving, however, there is a lot more general understanding why a human could find plenty of usable need with having an automobile at their use. Also, there are trains which seem to have the most upside of being the best long term investment of time to need of saving spacetime for more qualitative space and time use.

So I'm saying that I have a tremendous amount of faith in the sorts of people who released a digital rendering of something they coined "the pillars of creation" because I have seen what sorts of things only could have been created with the sorts of minds that can see a massive objects in plain sight while the rest of us are still wondering why it hurts to stare at the sun

Science doesn't demand faith. You could actually go look at the data and confirm for yourself that that is what the light hitting the HST really shows.

All the rest looks like codswallop, so I won't bother.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What are you saying?

Boru

I'm an oldschool science nut. I want to believe science is the only pursuit worth pursuing because its existence came long before my favorite things existed. So if scientists must let me down about certain space ship technology that isn't presently possible, I would like to know how well astronomers really know the universal bodies we can see from the dark energies perspective

You smell like a concern troll.

[AkiraTheViking]

Hey I'm not an Astronophile! That Interstellar Gas and Dust was 6000 Years old when I was staring at them with my telescope!

[polymath257]

Take the pillars of creation image you find online. It can't literally be a picture of such a mass but still be an accurate representation of what it honestly looks like from relative perspective? Its not just a lucid dream somebody had one day where they stored all the secrets they kept away from their customers and then they paid a bunch of NASA hacks to claim it was a verified image of a celestial higher power?

See what I'm saying? NASA scientists can say that the pillars of creation are more than simply a digital rendering made from assumptions of mathematical models. And these models are associated with all sciences in which we rely on because we can move faster with them than without them. This is why America went to the moon right? To prove that the math said that it was at least plausible and only missing a positive thrusting device that we could board one body at a time. But fundamentally, the science has mostly only proven to be necessary as far as we need it to accomplish something we couldn't without it

You know what I'm saying? If I have faith in the NASA scientist that the pillars of creation are definitely an amazing and awe inspiring aspect to what the universe is and how it makes itself grow, then I would have a certified faith in the other wonders of science that I don't fully be without fully understanding how impossible our life would be without it. But that caps out at plane travel being the top use of the science that we couldn't live without and what good is that really when you think about it? Then the next would be general automobile society where if you don't have one then you still probably live off of a public version of it because you need to save the time and energy for the space youre moving, however, there is a lot more general understanding why a human could find plenty of usable need with having an automobile at their use. Also, there are trains which seem to have the most upside of being the best long term investment of time to need of saving spacetime for more qualitative space and time use.

So I'm saying that I have a tremendous amount of faith in the sorts of people who released a digital rendering of something they coined "the pillars of creation" because I have seen what sorts of things only could have been created with the sorts of minds that can see a massive objects in plain sight while the rest of us are still wondering why it hurts to stare at the sun

Science doesn't demand faith. You could actually go look at the data and confirm for yourself that that is what the light hitting the HST really shows.

All the rest looks like codswallop, so I won't bother.

Even better, but an amateur telescope and a camera that can take long exposure images. Find M16 in the scope and take a picture.

You won't see as much as the HST or WST, but you will be able to see that they are looking at the same thing as you are. The space telescopes (or professional scopes) will have a LOT more detail, but you can see for yourself what the Eagle Nebula looks like. I have seen it myself.

If you want  an even easier object, look at the Orion Nebula just under Orion's belt. It is very nice even in a small scope and wonderful if you can do photography.

[brewer]

M16? We are supposed to shoot at the universe?

[Anomalocaris]

M16? We are supposed to shoot at the universe?

Look at it another way the pillars of creation does look like the a snapshot of the cavity trail left by the passage of bullets shot into water.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I like the dragon's head on the Pillars.