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Soteriology
October 19, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Why would an all-powerful and all-knowing God become flesh in order to sacrifice himself to himself so that his creation might escape the wrath of himself?  Couldn't God, in His infinite wisdom, come up with something a little more efficient?
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RE: Soteriology
October 19, 2023 at 11:39 pm
Efficiency? Is that what this is about? I don't think it is.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 4:24 am
The standard xtian answer is that God's plan is the best.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 7:27 am (This post was last modified: October 20, 2023 at 7:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Legalism and the relative value of a sacrificial victim to the hoped for end of the magic spell. Basically, god tied his own nuts into knots and this is what it looks like when one of his dictates needs to be clawed back or modified. Killing any old human being couldn't break the curse, and the curse was a law of the universe -binding to all of the cosmos as every one of gods utterances is, even to god.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 8:18 am
(October 20, 2023 at 7:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Legalism and the relative value of a sacrificial victim to the hoped for end of the magic spell.   Basically, god tied his own nuts into knots and this is what it looks like when one of his dictates needs to be clawed back or modified.  Killing any old human being couldn't break the curse, and the curse was a law of the universe -binding to all of the cosmos as every one of gods utterances is, even to god.

Jesus knew he was antagonizing the Powers That Be, but he didn't think God would let them go so far as to actually crucify him.  He thought God would step in at the last moment and take direct control of human history.  Didn't work out that way.  Embarrassing to his followers. Paul came in a few years later with his rebranding campaign and we got the sacrifice narrative.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 8:20 am
(October 20, 2023 at 4:24 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: The standard xtian answer is that God's plan is the best.

Second best, according to anyone praying to God asking him to change something he's currently doing or allowing to happen.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 9:55 am
(October 20, 2023 at 8:20 am)LinuxGal Wrote:
(October 20, 2023 at 4:24 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: The standard xtian answer is that God's plan is the best.

Second best, according to anyone praying to God asking him to change something he's currently doing or allowing to happen.

Depends. You could easily believe that God's plan was that what happens depends upon the free will of agents, including their choice to pray.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 10:09 am
(October 20, 2023 at 9:55 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(October 20, 2023 at 8:20 am)LinuxGal Wrote: Second best, according to anyone praying to God asking him to change something he's currently doing or allowing to happen.

Depends.  You could easily believe that God's plan was that what happens depends upon the free will of agents, including their choice to pray.

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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 10:24 am
(October 20, 2023 at 8:20 am)LinuxGal Wrote:
(October 20, 2023 at 4:24 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: The standard xtian answer is that God's plan is the best.

Second best, according to anyone praying to God asking him to change something he's currently doing or allowing to happen.

I know an embarrasingly incompetent person who prays in the name of Jesus for every random little thing. Nice dude, but I have no idea why he bothers doing this. Jesus very obviously doesn't give a shit what happens to people.
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RE: Soteriology
October 20, 2023 at 10:42 am
(October 20, 2023 at 10:24 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 20, 2023 at 8:20 am)LinuxGal Wrote: Second best, according to anyone praying to God asking him to change something he's currently doing or allowing to happen.

I know an embarrasingly incompetent person who prays in the name of Jesus for every random little thing. Nice dude, but I have no idea why he bothers doing this. Jesus very obviously doesn't give a shit what happens to people.

Not amazingly different from there being no God.
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