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RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
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RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
FlatAssembler posted a problem involving inverse trigonometric functions.  He also posted the "alleged" solutions.  The problem with forums like this, they are not conducive to precise mathematic notations and are sometimes are to interpret.  But I think I have the problem presented more clearly.

1)  atan(2/x) - atan(2/p) = -pi / 30

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2)    2/p / 2/x = x / p =12.6        

Also the  the solution to the problem was supposed to be x = 0.2 and p = 0.016    

In actuality the the solution isn't nice and neat and though there is an exact solution one needs to cut off to some acceptable decimal places I found x = 0.2286 and p = 0.01814

Its always difficult to describe a solution verbally but the problem isn't exactly so much a system of equations problem as it is a trigonometric problem, and going back to the basics.  First one must recognize that statement 1) is the difference between two angles so atan(2/x) is an angle we'll call A and atan(2/p) is angle B   So  1) becomes A - B = -pi/30  

Then  tan(A) = 2/x   and tan(B) = 2/p   thus if we draw two right triangles we have one with a height 2 and base x, and the other height 2 and base p   but here's the trick  p = x/a  so tan(B)= 2a/x.  Therefore we can draw two right triangles with the same base x and one with height 2 and the other with height 2 a.  

We can then superimpose the two right triangles one over the other because the bases are both x.    Now with  this configuration an isosceles triangle is formed within whose sides are all determined via right triangle trig.  Because we have three sides and three angles we can then apply the law of sins to the isosceles triangle.   From the Law of Sines we can determine x because the problem reduces to a 4th order quadratic equation.  We can reduce the 4th order variable   using a substitution s = x^2.  Then we solve for z using the quadratic formula and then solve for x once by taking the square root of z.  If you are able to open up the five sheets in the google drive link I shared, I have provided a step by step solution.   Its a pretty cool problem.   Now I haven't seen a problem quite  like this one before and I found it satisfying to solve.  

The step by step solution is uploaded on the  Google Drive and put the link to the drive below. There are five jpgs each numbered in order at the top right corner.  Hopefully anyone interested can access the five sheets.  

Pete Jeuck

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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
Well it seems I can't link my solution because its against the rules... so I don't know how otherwise to share the solution unless someone who might peradventure might want it contacts me and we'd have to make other arrangements. I'm not sure why linking to my own Google account for a solution is so offensive. As for the rules page...there were so damned many of them I very much doubt that anyone on the forum has read them all.

I was trying to be helpful to someone who posed a problem for a solution, I found the solution but the capabilities of the forum preclude being able to present anything intelligible. The only way it could be done is write it out by hand, photograph the hand written page and then make it available to download. So I don't see any sense in having a Math Thread with a system that cannot support math symbols etc.
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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 20, 2025 at 10:02 pm)pjeuck Wrote: Well it seems I can't link my solution because its against the rules... so I don't know how otherwise to share the solution unless someone who might peradventure might want it contacts me and we'd have to make other arrangements.  I'm not sure why linking to my own Google account for a solution is so offensive.   As for the rules page...there were so damned many of them  I very much doubt that  anyone on the forum has read them all.

I was trying to be helpful to someone who posed a problem for a solution, I found the solution but the capabilities of the forum preclude being able to present anything intelligible.  The only way it could be done is write it out by hand, photograph the hand written page and then make it available to download.  So I don't see any sense in having a Math  Thread  with a system that cannot support math symbols etc.

I assure you that I have read them all, multiple times.

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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
@pjeuck, rather than link to your google account, save the pages as pdf data, and post them as images here?

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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 21, 2025 at 1:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: @pjeuck, rather than link to your google account, save the pages as pdf data, and post them as images here?

That's also a no-no, but it does have the charm of breaking two rules at once.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 20, 2025 at 10:02 pm)pjeuck Wrote: Well it seems I can't link my solution because its against the rules... so I don't know how otherwise to share the solution unless someone who might peradventure might want it contacts me and we'd have to make other arrangements.  I'm not sure why linking to my own Google account for a solution is so offensive.   As for the rules page...there were so damned many of them  I very much doubt that  anyone on the forum has read them all.

I was trying to be helpful to someone who posed a problem for a solution, I found the solution but the capabilities of the forum preclude being able to present anything intelligible.  The only way it could be done is write it out by hand, photograph the hand written page and then make it available to download.  So I don't see any sense in having a Math  Thread  with a system that cannot support math symbols etc.

Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about prisons?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 21, 2025 at 5:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 21, 2025 at 1:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: @pjeuck, rather than link to your google account, save the pages as pdf data, and post them as images here?

That's also a no-no, but it does have the charm of breaking two rules at once.

Boru

N00bs can't post images?

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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 21, 2025 at 9:39 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(May 21, 2025 at 5:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's also a no-no, but it does have the charm of breaking two rules at once.

Boru

N00bs can't post images?

Not till they have been here 30 days and have made 30 posts.
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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 21, 2025 at 9:44 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(May 21, 2025 at 9:39 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: N00bs can't post images?

Not till they have been here 30 days and have made 30 posts.

Hadn't realized that, sorry for the bum advice.

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RE: RE: Solving a system of two trigonometric equations
(May 21, 2025 at 9:39 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(May 21, 2025 at 5:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's also a no-no, but it does have the charm of breaking two rules at once.

Boru

N00bs can't post images?

Nope. No outside content (30/30 rule). It would also violate the no spam rule.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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