The Issue of Indoctrination

[Leonardo17]

Two days ago I had a chat with this guy on a particularly dramatic subject which is the issue of the IRI regime committing genocide against its own people. I won’t go into the details, but I didn’t even bother to try to convince the guy on the obvious issue that the IRI is a murderous and tyrannical regime. That’s because I know that when you indoctrinate someone or impose some conclusion on this person that they have to accept without asking any question,
 
1) You can build more non-verifiable beliefs on these original beliefs
 
2) The tendency of that person will be to keep this beliefs for a life time because that’s the nature of the Ego. (“If I know that I know then how can I be wrong” right?)
 
So modern education systems have moved away from this type of education technique. My physics teacher always made fun us by telling us that no matter what he told us we would simply follow him like a pack of sheep. When I was in college, I had a teacher who tested us with completely unrealistic claims on some issues (to which I usually was the only one in the class to object).
 
Yet, there is nothing wrong with indoctrination itself. It’s not that it is inherently evil. It’s just that it is outdated. Mankind did not begin its journey with the internet and chat GBT. Even a century ago, being able to buy newspapers and learn about the world was a great thing. 1000 years ago (when indoctrination was invented) books were rare and were a source of prestige for their owners. People knew that when they fed their cattle they would eat and that when they slept with their wives they would get babies. Nobles were mostly busy with their power struggles and priests would simply repeat their prayers every hour or so.
 
So indoctrination in these days was the main education tool. Even until the 1950’s doctors had to know some of their written resources by hearth.
 
It was only in the second half of last century that we discovered pedagogy and adopted completely different methods in our learning of the mysteries of this world.
 
In today’s terms and above anything else, indoctrination is an insult to the human mind. Newer religious and spiritual approaches are not making this mistake and this is a good thing. For instance in Yoga, there are some direction that are given to us by our teachers. Then, as we practice these directions, we get to get new insights and new understandings by ourselves.
 
But as I have said before, mankind is an ongoing project. Did you know that 3,4 Billion persons in this world don’t have toilets? That 2 billion people have to drink from polluted water sources?

WHO
 
- So we are not there but we will get there. It takes time for the ego to see its own flaws and decides to correct them.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You seem unclear about the history of pedagogy.

Boru

[Leonardo17]

Hı, The first paragraph was supposed to be:
 

Two days ago I had a chat with this guy on a particularly dramatic subject which is the issue of the IRI regime committing genocide against its own people. I won’t go into the details, but I didn’t even bother to try to convince this guy on the obvious issue that the IRI is a murderous and tyrannical regime. That’s because I know that when you indoctrinate someone or impose some conclusion on this person these ideas will become like permanent implants inside their minds. And when you indoctrinate someone like this:

 
- It’s my wireless keyboard. It skips entire phrases sometimes
 
/ No what I am saying is that indoctrination was a necessity in the past. And it still is in some parts of the world. Today 1 in 10 men are illiterate and 1 in 5 women are illiterate. So this indoctrination thing is a thing of the past for “normal” people like us. But how do you expect someone to teach something to anyone in a remote village of Nigeria?
 
Also: The overall language of Holy Scriptures seems to be directed more to this kind of people then to people like us. We get to understand these scriptures too (if we invest the time to try to decipher the deeper meanings), but the overall language seems to be a millennia-old or so. And that’s why people get bored and end up deciding that all of it is gibberish.
 
So I’m only saying that expectations must be higher if the sum of capacities are much higher.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hı, The first paragraph was supposed to be:
 

Two days ago I had a chat with this guy on a particularly dramatic subject which is the issue of the IRI regime committing genocide against its own people. I won’t go into the details, but I didn’t even bother to try to convince this guy on the obvious issue that the IRI is a murderous and tyrannical regime. That’s because I know that when you indoctrinate someone or impose some conclusion on this person these ideas will become like permanent implants inside their minds. And when you indoctrinate someone like this:

 
- It’s my wireless keyboard. It skips entire phrases sometimes
 
/ No what I am saying is that indoctrination was a necessity in the past. And it still is in some parts of the world. Today 1 in 10 men are illiterate and 1 in 5 women are illiterate. So this indoctrination thing is a thing of the past for “normal” people like us. But how do you expect someone to teach something to anyone in a remote village of Nigeria?
 
Also: The overall language of Holy Scriptures seems to be directed more to this kind of people then to people like us. We get to understand these scriptures too (if we invest the time to try to decipher the deeper meanings), but the overall language seems to be a millennia-old or so. And that’s why people get bored and end up deciding that all of it is gibberish.
 
So I’m only saying that expectations must be higher if the sum of capacities are much higher.

That reply has nothing to do with the history of pedagogy. Also, indoctrination has nothing to do with literacy rates.

Boru