How can anyone be okay with Hell ?

[Gawdzilla]

The most excellent discussion of hell I've seen is in the outtakes from "Dogma".

[Ace Otana]

With faith in God

Translation: Just assume it's true.

No, I won't.

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Now I'm pretty damn sure there is no hell. Since an all knowing god + hell = faulty logic.
God is all knowing, he designed and created everything (as you claim) and so he also knows what's going to happen. He is behind everything. So if he designs someone who does wrong as he designed him to and knew what he'd do, he sends that person to hell. God knew that was going to happen all along, he designed it that way. This is faulty logic.

Here's an example: I create this artificial life form that is capable of feeling and thought. I designed it to be a certain way, I know what will happen, I knew long before I created it what would happen. It does wrong, for which I knew it would and yet instead of blaming myself, I blame my creation, and yet I designed and created it, plus I knew what would happen. So it's my fault, same with god. He designed and creates everything and being all knowing, he knows the outcome. It's faulty logic to harm/punish your creation for which you designed and created and even knew it's future. He must've set it up this way. This makes him a fucking idiot.

All knowing god + hell = faulty logic.
It doesn't add up.

[Napoléon]

Now I'm pretty damn sure there is no hell. Since an all knowing god + hell = faulty logic.
God is all knowing, he designed and created everything (as you claim) and so he also knows what's going to happen. He is behind everything. So if he designs someone who does wrong as he designed him to and knew what he'd do, he sends that person to hell. God knew that was going to happen all along, he designed it that way. This is faulty logic.

Here's an example: I create this artificial life form that is capable of feeling and thought. I designed it to be a certain way, I know what will happen, I knew long before I created it what would happen. It does wrong, for which I knew it would and yet instead of blaming myself, I blame my creation, and yet I designed and created it, plus I knew what would happen. So it's my fault, same with god. He designed and creates everything and being all knowing, he knows the outcome. It's faulty logic to harm/punish your creation for which you designed and created and even knew it's future. He must've set it up this way. This makes him a fucking idiot.

Abso-fucking-lutely. I've been wanting to put this into words and you sir have just done it! KUDOS!

[Minimalist]

Resistance is futile, but still a choice. That's why God is so great.

IF resistance were futile then your fairy godfather wouldn't need Hell, would he? Clearly resistance to your boy is not futile...which still leaves him looking rather inept against us poor mortals that he "created."

[Watson]

With faith in God

Translation: Just assume it's true.

No, I won't.

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Now I'm pretty damn sure there is no hell. Since an all knowing god + hell = faulty logic.
God is all knowing, he designed and created everything (as you claim) and so he also knows what's going to happen. He is behind everything. So if he designs someone who does wrong as he designed him to and knew what he'd do, he sends that person to hell. God knew that was going to happen all along, he designed it that way. This is faulty logic.

Here's an example: I create this artificial life form that is capable of feeling and thought. I designed it to be a certain way, I know what will happen, I knew long before I created it what would happen. It does wrong, for which I knew it would and yet instead of blaming myself, I blame my creation, and yet I designed and created it, plus I knew what would happen. So it's my fault, same with god. He designed and creates everything and being all knowing, he knows the outcome. It's faulty logic to harm/punish your creation for which you designed and created and even knew it's future. He must've set it up this way. This makes him a fucking idiot.

All knowing god + hell = faulty logic.
It doesn't add up.

All knowing God + free will + Hell = perfectly logical.

[Ace Otana]

All knowing God + free will + Hell = perfectly logical.

I knew someone would add that at some point. I was ready for it.

Freewill or not, god designed, created us and knew what would happen. Free will or not. God is still to blame.

Here's my paper plane analogy: I Design and create a paper airplane, I designed it to fly and to reach the table on the other side of the room, which is what I want. Being all knowing, I know it will. Now if I gave it a mind of it's own and it went against my wishes and flew else where, being all knowing, I knew it would, but I went ahead with the design and creation. I cannot blame it, I designed it that way, I knew what would happen and I would know why. So to punish it for doing what I designed it to do is faulty logic.
If god designed us to be able to think for ourselves, then that is what's going to happen. We will think, question and may even find our own way. What's the point in being able to use your mind and freedom to go beyond what you are if you'll end up punished for it? It doesn't make any sense.
You wouldn't give your kids an Xbox and then tell them not to use it.

If I created a small RC plane with weapons on it and which could think for itself (decides to use the weapons or not). If it flew off and killed someone, who would you blame? Me the designer and creator of that RC or the RC for which was only doing what I gave it the ability to do. Me being all knowing makes it even worse, because if I knew it was going to do that, and yet went ahead with it's construction anyway then yeah, I'm to blame for it.

Personally, if I created mankind and they thought for themselves, went their own way and became independent, I'd be damn proud of them. Never would I punish them for it.

[Cinjin]

CC you misinterpret the Bible badly and you attribute people acting contrary to Christian principles with acting like Christ. This is wishful thinking in the extreme. Carry on but please don't delude yourself that you have any valid points.

and yet you offer no rebuttal to my "Invalid Points" .... so shutup.

[Watson]

What's the point in being able to use your mind and freedom to go beyond what you are if you'll end up punished for it?

You answered your own question beforehand.

If god designed us to be able to think for ourselves, then that is what's going to happen. We will think, question and may even find our own way.

By allowing God to guide us, we show that we love and trust in Him. We find our own way by trusting in God's plan and following it to the best of our abilities.

That's where free will comes in. We have the choice between good and evil so that we aren't automatons in our decisions, and God guides us along the proper path.

[Ace Otana]

You answered your own question beforehand.

Where? If you point out what I think you're going to point out, then I'm ready.

By allowing God to guide us

Why? If we can guide ourselves, why need god's help? Plus, why follow something that most likely doesn't exist?

we show that we love and trust in Him.

Can't trust any being that sends good people to hell. A being that has faulty logic and is contradictive in nature. Looks more like a puppet controlled by a delusional nut case.

That's where free will comes in. We have the choice between good and evil so that we aren't automatons in our decisions, and God guides us along the proper path.

Good and evil are only concepts. Just like god. I do good and I have never believed in god. I have guided myself rather well, and without god. Why would I need a divine guide?

In nature there is no such thing as good and evil. There is only the natural. Humans are pattern seeking monkeys who have not yet mastered their imaginative abilities when it comes to self control over them and often find themselves overwhelmed by it. Pattern seeking primates like ourselves are so easily fooled. Even by our own thoughts. We can have a tricky time when it comes to differentiating between fantasy and reality. The scientific method helps to separate the two.

[Watson]

Sorry, I should have made this clearer.

What's the point in being able to use your mind and freedom to go beyond what you are if you'll end up punished for it?

You answered your own question beforehand.

If god designed us to be able to think for ourselves, then that is what's going to happen. We will think, question and may even find our own way.

^These two quotes were what I meant when I said you answered your own question.

Good and evil are only concepts.

Just like god. I do good and I have never believed in god. I have guided myself rather well, and without god. Why would I need a divine guide?.

These two quotes contradict each other. if good and evil are only concepts, then by what standard do you figure you've done 'good'?